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The source is bats. We are getting it from bats , No intermediary host has yet been found. Many suggestions have been made but we are getting it from bats. The prime target was wet markets with its bat guana. The other source could be bat guana fertilizer. So far, it looks like a direct infection. The main target are the cells with ACE2 and that is gram negative bacteria. They have the highest source of ACE2.

When the numbers of anaerobic Gram negative rod-shaped bacteria and spirochetes increase compared to the other bacteria in the sub-gingival plaque then gingivitis is more likely to occur. The organisms in this plaque contains large numbers of gram negative proteolytic and hemolytic bacteriathat cause inflammation of the gingiva.

Hence, wearing a mask. Could the source be bat guana. Yes and it could be airborne. Anything that has alot of gram negative bacteria is a target because of the ACE2. The question is where is the greater source of infection . That is what the scientists cannot figure out. Pigs can get it - depends on diet and there is a lot feces in a pig pen- lots of gram negative bacteria in stool. That is what they find in people - covid 19 is in the stool. Look at a nursing home and just how much of a problem that is.
The paper I attached says pigs don't get it.
 
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I had been reading about Dr. Brownsteins work on Iodine - why we need it and why we cant live without it. He studied another scholar. I had some Iodoral on hand, so decided to take it along with selenium and magnesium, and ATP Cofactors. I had a history of Fibromyalgia - and this was a therapy, thus I was looking it over. After the infection started, I took the Iodoral and four days later my gum problem was gone and the dentist said so was the tartar. I got rid of the biofilm which contains the bacteria this virus seeks. I found out that this combination gets rid of the ROS - toxins from oxidative stress like this virus causes - the inflammatory reaction brought about by the reaction of the Lipopolysaccharide on the surface of the bacteria responding with ACE2 releasing cytokines. I found this reference from research....iodides are greatly present and available in the sea, where algal phytoplankton, the basis of marine food-chain, acts as a biological accumulator of iodides, selenium - gets rid of the ROS and they were talking about Three Billion Years Ago - a natural solution . The scientists believe this virus is not man made but a natural thing. It seemed like a logical thing to fight a natural enemy with a natural solution. The bat is also very old and apparently very good at surviving. I think the virus is in the bat and the guano and it is quite possible that this particular bat evolved enough to produce a virus with an attraction to ACE2. I don't think it was there before. If this is true, than the source of the infection is not humans, but the bat itself. Our cells are just a target and this is not species specific.
 
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When I looked at the treatment for this virus using the malaria drug, it is a biofilm disruptor. If the biofilm is destroyed which is what the iodine and selenium does, than the immune system can take care of the virus. Understand, I am not calling iodine and selenium a cure - your immune system is the cure - you are
 
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So the main cause of death during this outbreak is not the virus but what it leads to, Pneumonia. But there is a Vaccine against Pneumonia, addmittedly it comes in 2 parts 12 months apart but part 1 protects against the most prevelent and dangerous forms. So far I have heard no mention of this, I would have thought this would be a major line of defence especially for the most vulnerable.
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Vaccines against pneumonia, such as pneumococcal vaccine and Haemophilus influenza type B (Hib) vaccine, do not provide protection against the new coronavirus.

The virus is so new and different that it needs its own vaccine. Researchers are trying to develop a vaccine against 2019-nCoV, and WHO is supporting their efforts.

Although these vaccines are not effective against 2019-nCoV, vaccination against respiratory illnesses is highly recommended to protect your health.
 
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It's important for ongoing studies to confirm everything we assume about this virus, other viruses, and how they all interact, so it's not likely medical science will start recommending this in wide swaths of the population in the near future.

There is some really helpful info on the pneumonia vaccines here. For most adults, studies show the vaccines are helpful at reducing infection in about 45% of recipients, which is good, but far from a sure thing.

For older people, or those with other medical conditions, it's certainly something that looks promising. I'm looking forward to hearing more info on how this current pandemic will impact the way medical professionals view these very specific types of vaccines.

Once things start to settle down again, I'll definitely at least talk to my doctor about this kind of preventative step, though I am fortunate enough to find myself ill only once every few years and it tends to pass within a day or two at most.
I like your proactive approach, what I challenge you with, is your trust in a pharmacological solution. There is absolutely nothing better than a HEALTHY body for combating any disease. There will always be exceptions but if hypertension, diabetes, et al are minimized due to exercise, a non-bad diet (a good diet is always better) and staying away from processed foods especially refined sugar... we will be in great shape.

I am not a fan of vaccines. If a vaccine were provided and I had the capability of recovering damage if harmed... then I might consider that option if my situation were dire. Currently, all manufacturers of vaccines are protected from litigation due to our Supreme Court.

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22. Standards of responsibility

The source is bats. We are getting it from bats , No intermediary host has yet been found. Many suggestions have been made but we are getting it from bats. The prime target was wet markets with its bat guana. The other source could be bat guana fertilizer. So far, it looks like a direct infection. The main target are the cells with ACE2 and that is gram negative bacteria. They have the highest source of ACE2.

When the numbers of anaerobic Gram negative rod-shaped bacteria and spirochetes increase compared to the other bacteria in the sub-gingival plaque then gingivitis is more likely to occur. The organisms in this plaque contains large numbers of gram negative proteolytic and hemolytic bacteriathat cause inflammation of the gingiva.

Hence, wearing a mask. Could the source be bat guana. Yes and it could be airborne. Anything that has alot of gram negative bacteria is a target because of the ACE2. The question is where is the greater source of infection . That is what the scientists cannot figure out. Pigs can get it - depends on diet and there is a lot feces in a pig pen- lots of gram negative bacteria in stool. That is what they find in people - covid 19 is in the stool. Look at a nursing home and just how much of a problem that is.
I am sorry you had to experience this malady. Many people have focused on the wet markets and rightfully so but we are not taking notice of our exposure to this type of environment in the United States. Visit a slaughterhouse, visit a poultry farm, or where eggs are harvested... it is a bastion for infections. What is even scarier than seeing this mess is that our government and various pharmaceutical companies are collecting eggs for purposes of vaccines. Egg vaccines will not work on a Coronavirus but it does have success for the flu.
 
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I like your proactive approach, what I challenge you with, is your trust in a pharmacological solution. There is absolutely nothing better than a HEALTHY body for combating any disease. There will always be exceptions but if hypertension, diabetes, et al are minimized due to exercise, a non-bad diet (a good diet is always better) and staying away from processed foods especially refined sugar... we will be in great shape.

I am not a fan of vaccines. If a vaccine were provided and I had the capability of recovering damage if harmed... then I might consider that option if my situation were dire. Currently, all manufacturers of vaccines are protected from litigation due to our Supreme Court.

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22. Standards of responsibility


I am sorry you had to experience this malady. Many people have focused on the wet markets and rightfully so but we are not taking notice of our exposure to this type of environment in the United States. Visit a slaughterhouse, visit a poultry farm, or where eggs are harvested... it is a bastion for infections. What is even scarier than seeing this mess is that our government and various pharmaceutical companies are collecting eggs for purposes of vaccines. Egg vaccines will not work on a Coronavirus but it does have success for the flu.
You make it sound like a easter egg hunt for science. Which I would have loved when I was little.

The thing is, we don't yet know how we need to manufacture a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. We can't have it in multi use vials becausee Karens in the US don't know that they don't use the harmless mercury compound anymore. All vaccines in the US have been single use for a while, but we may have to change that because we don't have enough vials to give vaccines to everyojne in the country in one fell swoop. We manufacture Flu vaccines using eggs, we might manufacture them with eggs for SARS-CoV-2.

Pharmacological cures are all we have to truly wipe this out. There will always be those vulnerable and unable to combat a virus, and it is our duty as fellow humans to help keep them safe. I am extremly lucky that my Grandparents have surrvived for as long as they have, and quite heathily at that. But I don't want to lose them because someone didn't get a stupid vaccine.
 
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You make it sound like a easter egg hunt for science. Which I would have loved when I was little.

The thing is, we don't yet know how we need to manufacture a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. We can't have it in multi use vials becausee Karens in the US don't know that they don't use the harmless mercury compound anymore. All vaccines in the US have been single use for a while, but we may have to change that because we don't have enough vials to give vaccines to everyojne in the country in one fell swoop. We manufacture Flu vaccines using eggs, we might manufacture them with eggs for SARS-CoV-2.

Pharmacological cures are all we have to truly wipe this out. There will always be those vulnerable and unable to combat a virus, and it is our duty as fellow humans to help keep them safe. I am extremly lucky that my Grandparents have surrvived for as long as they have, and quite heathily at that. But I don't want to lose them because someone didn't get a stupid vaccine.
You are fortunate with your grandparents, I hope they continue to prosper. Vaccines are a mute point anyway. If the government wishes for all of us to be vaccinated, there is absolutely nothing that anybody can do about it, plain and simple. The laws allows our government to vaccinate anybody and everybody if it is declared to be for the betterment of the whole.
 
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So the main cause of death during this outbreak is not the virus but what it leads to, Pneumonia. But there is a Vaccine against Pneumonia, addmittedly it comes in 2 parts 12 months apart but part 1 protects against the most prevelent and dangerous forms. So far I have heard no mention of this, I would have thought this would be a major line of defence especially for the most vulnerable.
The lung damage is initially autoimmune with the body attacking the lung tissue.
this injury and associated immune deficiency opens the lungs to a secondary infection.
the pneumonia vaccines are active only against a couple of bugs. they also take a too long to become infective. there are many bacteria that can cause pneumonia, these have no vaccines and antibiotics cant work if the body is too beaten up (low oxygen levels, impaired circulation , etc)
Michael F. Holick, MD, PhD, Professor of Physiology and Biophysics, and leading authority on vitamin D, writes:

"Most children and adults are vitamin D deficient in the winter. Essentially no vitamin D can be made from sun exposure during the months of November through March if you live above or below 35 degrees latitude (e.g. Busan, S. Korea, Xi'an, China, Atlanta, USA or Malaga, Spain).

It has been suggested that there is a seasonal stimulus for developing viral infections such as the flu during the winter time. At the time of the peak flu season in the winter is at exactly the same time a person's vitamin D status [blood level of 25-hydroxyvitamin D] is at its lowest level. Vitamin D plays an important role in maintaining a healthy immune system and therefore winter-associated vitamin D deficiency can weaken the immune system increasing the risk of developing viral infections that cause upper respiratory tract infections. There is evidence that adequate levels of vitamin D during the winter can result in a reduction in the incidence of influenza A and in other viral illnesses of the respiratory tract.

Given the newness of the coronavirus (COVID-19), no research has studied how vitamin D levels might be associated with the incidence or severity of a coronavirus infection. However, at this time I believe it is prudent to make sure everyone has adequate vitamin D levels."

Ernest T. Armstrong, inventor of the vitamin D promoting sunscreen Solar D® (solar-d.com), writes: "All countries worst hit by COVID-19 are northern, wintertime countries or countries where people get very little sunshine and therefore make very little vitamin D in their skin. If the COVID-19 acts similar to other known seasonal viruses, then in the spring as the sun climbs higher in the sky, people will make more vitamin D, immune-system suppression will lessen, and the number of new cases of COVID-19 will fall dramatically."
Brazil is experiencing a terrible covid epidemic
plenty of sun there
vit D can't be implicated there
if children are so vit d deficient why do they not get sick?

WHO said its not transmitted via droplets; masks not necessary
oops, they reversed and now says masks are good
WHO is too much influenced by China and lesser developed nations.
 
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I am reasonably well educated in things viral and keep up-to-date regarding pathogens of fish including viruses. Certain amount of a population will be more resistant and some less so. Some may become latent carriers of the virus while others may die. The risk of dying from this virus is very low. Warmer weather can help people fight illness. Vitamin D is essential for proper functioning of the immune system (Aranow 2011).

I've just been to the supermarket and the shelves were practically empty. People were terrified and there was an atmosphere of impending doom. Worrying can negatively affect immunity so keep calm (Segerstrom, & Miller 2004). Let it go…

It is not difficult to predict the outcome. This will playout like all other pandemics. The virus will become endemic in the population. No one will escape being exposed unless they leave for planet Mars. The time and place will come. Recall Norovirus. A 24-hour stomach bug. Everyone got exposed to that, vomited for 24 hours then went about their business. It is still present within the population. Babies will eventually catch it, like they will chicken pox, and like adults, will have the same symptoms. As the years pass, the symptoms of this virus will become milder (Harper et al. 2016).

If this kills you, you’ve been very unlucky but there is nothing anyone can now do. The cat is out of the bag. Everyone is powerless over the outcome. Observe good hygiene, be sensible. Look after your health. Avoid excesses in anything. Enjoy the time you have left albeit decades or days. Worrying will make you more susceptible (Segerstrom, & Miller 2004). Hiding will not save you.

Selfishly hoarding supermarket supplies, hand sanitiser and soap may kill some vulnerable people who need them. Are we four-year olds in long trousers who just look after number one, or are we compassionate adults? The jury is out…

The best of luck to you all


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References
Aranow C. (2011). Vitamin D and the immune system. Journal of investigative medicine: the official publication of the American Federation for Clinical Research, 59(6), 881–886. https://doi.org/10.2310/JIM.0b013e31821b8755

Harper, S., Cowell, S., & Dawson, W. (2016). Finding balance: Virus populations reach equilibrium during the infection process. Virology, 485, 205-212.

Segerstrom, S. C., & Miller, G. E. (2004). Psychological stress and the human immune system: a meta-analytic study of 30 years of inquiry. Psychological bulletin, 130(4), 601–630. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.130.4.601

After nine months of the pandemic 0.3% of the World’s population has at some stage been reported as infected with covid-19. Assuming a recovery period of 14-days, on average at any given time over the last nine months 0.016% of the World’s population would have been actively infected. As a comparison this is a direct quote from the NIH “Estimates of the international prevalence of schizophrenia among non-institutionalized persons is 0.33% to 0.75%”. Schizophrenia alone is up to 46 times more prevalent than covid-19. The virus has been linked to 0.01036% of the population dying worldwide over this period, approximately 3000 people per day. This represents about 2% of the global daily death rate from all causes of death.
 
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After nine months of the pandemic 0.3% of the World’s population has at some stage been reported as infected with covid-19. Assuming a recovery period of 14-days, on average at any given time over the last nine months 0.016% of the World’s population would have been actively infected. As a comparison this is a direct quote from the NIH “Estimates of the international prevalence of schizophrenia among non-institutionalized persons is 0.33% to 0.75%”. Schizophrenia alone is up to 46 times more prevalent than covid-19. The virus has been linked to 0.01036% of the population dying worldwide over this period, approximately 3000 people per day. This represents about 2% of the global daily death rate from all causes of death.
After nine months of the pandemic 0.3% of the World’s population has at some stage been reported as infected with covid-19. Assuming a recovery period of 14-days, on average at any given time over the last nine months 0.016% of the World’s population would have been actively infected. As a comparison this is a direct quote from the NIH “Estimates of the international prevalence of schizophrenia among non-institutionalized persons is 0.33% to 0.75%”. Schizophrenia alone is up to 46 times more prevalent than covid-19. The virus has been linked to 0.01036% of the population dying worldwide over this period, approximately 3000 people per day. This represents about 2% of the global daily death rate from all causes of death.
So, are your numbers soley reflective of positive tests, or do they attempt to extrapolate actual number of infected as opposed to positive test results? Just an order of magnitude or 2 difference. I'm guessing you're running on test results.

I like this guy who says everyone will get it. Pretty sure my untested ass ace2d it with Mary a sniffle. Professional panhandler who is hated by many in power and authority or formerly in authority thanks to me. Number 1 candidate for waking up suddenly lobotomized or not waking up; having exposed the whole of psychiatry as a murderous fraud run by Borderline Personalities with Covert Narcissistic Personality Features has a downside in that the worst psychopaths on the planet are trying to come up with a horrifying fate worse than death they can subject me to for having their fun torture toys taken from them.

Covidbis very survivable for a person who avoids basically every avoidable health hazard,band knows his way around methods be of stimulating immunity effectively without exciting cytokine storms. When talking about debunking myth, the most dangerous is promulgated by pharma and those under it's carrot and stick, funding and assassination spell. We have our ways.... Which are mainly on the pharma hit-list and therefore unspeakable on this forum.
Anyway...the short version is that despite all, most of us will survive this. We will the succumb to political, military and environmental disasters, most likely... but we will be survive this.
 
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So the main cause of death during this outbreak is not the virus but what it leads to, Pneumonia. But there is a Vaccine against Pneumonia, addmittedly it comes in 2 parts 12 months apart but part 1 protects against the most prevelent and dangerous forms. So far I have heard no mention of this, I would have thought this would be a major line of defence especially for the most vulnerable.
In my home, "Socialist" Denmark, with "free" (taxpaid for) hospitals and doctors, senior citizens are offered a free vacination against a possible flu/lung infection! This may help prevent a severe Covid19 crisis, which is now down to less than one infected person for each known person with Covid19, so it will end here, at one time!
 
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In my home, "Socialist" Denmark, with "free" (taxpaid for) hospitals and doctors, senior citizens are offered a free vacination against a possible flu/lung infection! This may help prevent a severe Covid19 crisis, which is now down to less than one infected person for each known person with Covid19, so it will end here, at one time!
There has been some statements that getting the flu vaccine is beneficial, but I think it may just be in that people will be less likely to get a severe flu with the yearly vaccine, but as more studies are done, if it turns out to have more benefits, even better.

I got my flu vaccine for this year a little while ago, since I like to be cautious anyway.
 
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There have been questions regarding the coming spring season and if warming temperatures will kill off the coronavirus. While historically, viruses do tend to spread more slowly in warmer weather, we won't know the full scope of change that will happen with COVID-19 yet.

Sources on this are plentiful, but a few include.
Do you believe that covid 19 is accurate when new info traces the disease to a bat disease in a Chinese mine in 2012? Leaving at least 6 years for research and manipulation as a weapon of terror?
 

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There has been some statements that getting the flu vaccine is beneficial, but I think it may just be in that people will be less likely to get a severe flu with the yearly vaccine, but as more studies are done, if it turns out to have more benefits, even better.

I got my flu vaccine for this year a little while ago, since I like to be cautious anyway.
Are you aware that the flu vaccine for this year protects you for the flu of last year and not the new strains of this and next year?
 
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This thread died on March 20, 2020 because of many misunderstood facts about Covid-19 at the time. Still, there was some sound advice given about human health.

Without the benefit of any formal medical training (BSc. Chem w/ some biochem) I can't argue all the points now known about the "pandemic", but I do know enough about the scientific method to strongly question the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test that the World Health Organization demanded be given on a global basis. That initiative was bogus. The PCR test has some valid uses, but Covid-19 testing isn't one of them.

The fact that everything about Covid-19 control has been reduced to just "get vaccinated" if and when such a vaccine is put forward. Viruses mutate, vaccine manufacture and distribution will always be behind the curve.
Then there is the ridiculously insane level of fear mongering in the mainstream (a very kind adjective) media. Nothing in a global vaccination program, wearing masks, or listening to incessant fear messaging will correlate with real world, scientific facts.

Our species has the autoimmune tools to protect those capable of self-preservation who also practice common sense hygiene and dietary regimens. Those less fortunate, be they elderly, with a pre-existing comorbidity, or a suppressed immune system, will always be at risk for an upper respiratory infection. It's been that way with each and every "normal" annual flu. The statistics on Covid-19, as inflated as they have been made, are no better or worse than any normal annual flu in recent memory. There were no "pandemic" scares during any of those years.
 
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Glad to see intelligent people capable of seeing outside of what the TV and society tells us to echo mindlessly. You might be interested in the true cause of the COVID shutdown. Powerful people are panicking due to an event called a grand solar minimum. This kind of thing causes world wide flooding much cooler temperatures which results in crop losses from excess moisture, insect infestations and random cold spells. This is the true cause of the world wide shut down. Youtube adapt 2030 and suspicious observers they cover it well.
 
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but I do know enough about the scientific method to strongly question the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test that the World Health Organization demanded be given on a global basis. That initiative was bogus. The PCR test has some valid uses, but Covid-19 testing isn't one of them.
Whats the issue with PCR testing for s-c-2?
 
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Sars-Cov-2 is not novel, but merely a mutation, meaning that it has elements in common with previous viri. The fact that there are similarities and the antibodies in your body recognise those similarities, means that there is a base immunity in the population against any virus that looks similar to Sars-Cov-2.

Our T-cells (white blood cells) can detect common structures appearing on Sars-Cov-2 and regular cold viri and therefore combat both of them. The PCR test method attracts and then amplifies any detected nucleotide chain debris (up to 35X to make it visible) and this in itself distorts the findings. This amounts to reverse chemical engineering of the fragments to better identify the original.

The PCR tests cannot distinguish between a virus that is alive and one that has already been killed by their immune system and therefore a positive result does not necessarily mean that the "positive" person can infect others. A PCR test definitely does not identify an existing "hot" infection, where a virus has penetrated a human cell and started to replicate itself.

If a person's immune system has already destroyed the virus (but has left some bits of its DNA debris) then they are not infectious, but they are currently still designated as an "active case". This suggests that "positive" patients are not really sick, but rather, they are immune. These false positives are driving media hype and the unnecessary lockdown measures.

 
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Sars-Cov-2 is not novel, but merely a mutation, meaning that it has elements in common with previous viri. The fact that there are similarities and the antibodies in your body recognise those similarities, means that there is a base immunity in the population against any virus that looks similar to Sars-Cov-2.

Our T-cells (white blood cells) can detect common structures appearing on Sars-CoV-2 and regular cold viri and therefore combat both of them. The PCR test method attracts and then amplifies any detected nuclleotide chain debris (up to 35X to make it visible) and this in itself distorts the findings.

The PCR tests cannot distinguish between a virus that is alive and one that has already been killed by a person's immune system and therefore a positive result does not necessarily mean that the "positive" person can infect others.

If a person's immune system has already destroyed the virus (but has left some bits of its DNA debris) then they are not infectious, but they are currently still designated as an "active case". This suggests that a statistically significant number of "positive" patients are not really sick, but rather, they are immune. These false positives are driving media hype and the unnecessary lockdown measures. So why is the science not better explained? Cui bono?

PCR usefulness is to highlight when somebody may pose a risk of further transmission, and so to prompt a period of quarantine (usually 14 days), after which such person will in most instances no longer be infectious. Such a person, if not infectious, will have been infectious at some point recently, and so will have been an active case; I would not consider this to be the definition of false positive. I think testing can be considered an important tool to help break transmission chains, and if isolation is properly observed, help to lower circulation of the virus. Assuming the tests are designed with high sensitivity and specificity for sars-cov-2, genetic similarities with other common cold coronaviruses should not cause an issue.
 
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PCR usefulness is to highlight when somebody may pose a risk of further transmission, and so to prompt a period of quarantine (usually 14 days), after which such person will in most instances no longer be infectious. Such a person, if not infectious, will have been infectious at some point recently, and so will have been an active case; I would not consider this to be the definition of false positive. I think testing can be considered an important tool to help break transmission chains, and if isolation is properly observed, help to lower circulation of the virus. Assuming the tests are designed with high sensitivity and specificity for sars-cov-2, genetic similarities with other common cold coronaviruses should not cause an issue.
Just to clarify, we're talking about a flu virus here, and not the Bubonic plague bacterium or Ebola virus, for example. I would like to stress the significance of this with the most recent statistics I could find (to a suitable degree of precision):

World population (est. June, 2020): 7,577,000,000
World Covid-19 reported infections (however skewed): 38,545,000 (0.51% World population)
World Covid-19 reported deaths (however skewed): 1,093,000 (2.83% reported infections)

The results, however much they are overstated, do not appear to be better or worse than those for any normal annual flu. The majority of the deaths are for aged patients suffering from at least one comorbitity, and who consequently had a compromised immune system to start with. This is also consistent with prior "normal" flu seasons.

The "original" virus itself will have run its course many months ago, and will have since mutated. The general worldwide population will also be acheiving herd immunity by now, and lots of nucleotide debris will be found in bloodstreams and mucous - which the PCR test will dutifully record as "positive". However, the transmission chain will be broken in the same manner that all the other bouts of flu have been.
 
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Just to clarify, we're talking about a flu virus here, and not the Bubonic plague bacterium or Ebola virus, for example. I would like to stress the significance of this with the most recent statistics I could find (to a suitable degree of precision):

World population (est. June, 2020): 7,577,000,000
World Covid-19 reported infections (however skewed): 38,545,000 (0.51% World population)
World Covid-19 reported deaths (however skewed): 1,093,000 (2.83% reported infections)

The results, however much they are overstated, do not appear to be better or worse than those for any normal annual flu. The majority of the deaths are for aged patients suffering from at least one comorbitity, and who consequently had a compromised immune system to start with. This is also consistent with prior "normal" flu seasons.

The "original" virus itself will have run its course many months ago, and will have since mutated. The general worldwide population will also be acheiving herd immunity by now, and lots of nucleotide debris will be found in bloodstreams and mucous - which the PCR test will dutifully record as "positive". However, the transmission chain will be broken in the same manner that all the other bouts of flu have been.
Viral shedding such that it can be detected by pcr, has been reported to last for around 20 days in most cases for respiratory tract samples. As mentioned, a positive sample returned even at the tail end of this timeframe indicates a recently acquired infection, and so self-isolation would be advisable so as to minimise possibilty of onward transmission. Thus pcr testing for sars-cov-2 is a valuable tool for identifying individuals who may be at risk of spreading the virus whether or not they are actually still infectious.

If the argument is that the severity of disease upon infection is such that testing is unneccesary and that the virus will soon run its course based on a belief of near global herd immunity, then I would regard that as an opinion, and as such, are entitled to express without need for further explanation.
 
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Viral shedding such that it can be detected by pcr, has been reported to last for around 20 days in most cases for respiratory tract samples. As mentioned, a positive sample returned even at the tail end of this timeframe indicates a recently acquired infection, and so self-isolation would be advisable so as to minimise possibilty of onward transmission. Thus pcr testing for sars-cov-2 is a valuable tool for identifying individuals who may be at risk of spreading the virus whether or not they are actually still infectious.

If the argument is that the severity of disease upon infection is such that testing is unneccesary and that the virus will soon run its course based on a belief of near global herd immunity, then I would regard that as an opinion, and as such, are entitled to express without need for further explanation.
The statistical insignifcance of this flu on a year-over-year basis doesn't warrant this type of testing, which, anyway, amounts to a post mortem. Serology would be more to the point, as it would reveal actual active antibodies in the serum. I remain mystified as to why this particular flu receives so much attention.
 
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The referenced article says more than I ccould ever hope to point out about PCR testing. The science of testing is thoroughly discussed (use the URL at the bottom).

"So how can it be that those who claim the PCR tests are highly meaningful for so-called COVID-19 diagnosis blind out the fundamental inadequacies of these tests—even if they are confronted with questions regarding their validity?

Certainly, the apologists of the novel coronavirus hypothesis should have dealt with these questions before throwing the tests on the market and putting basically the whole world under lockdown, not least because these are questions that come to mind immediately for anyone with even a spark of scientific understanding."

- excerpted from COVID19 PCR Tests Are Scientifically Meaningless by Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter

 

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