The denial of Einstein's relativity theory

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Simply because you were unable to imagine how the ball looked with water poured onto it and I had to explain further !

Anyway , back to topic . Einstein's work was incomplete , some of it was sense but some of it was nonsense .

Time dilation for example is ''fake'' science .
Time dilation just happens to be my field. Tell me more about how it is a fake science.
 
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Time dilation just happens to be my field. Tell me more about how it is a fake science.
It is fake science because time is the product of timing . Declaring a timing offset of the caesium atom to be a change of time is untrue .
Equally untrue is Einstein's famous thought experiment using a light clock because y is not equal to x,y in distance .
 
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It is fake science because time is the product of timing . Declaring a timing offset of the caesium atom to be a change of time is untrue .
Equally untrue is Einstein's famous thought experiment using a light clock because y is not equal to x,y in distance .
Fascinating. So the passing of time is false?
 
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Fascinating. So the passing of time is false?
Time exists has a measure of history and is a tool for synchronising our every day lives .

Time does not pass but things age .

Einstein was sort of correct about aging dilations but wrong about time . In his defence he was wrong because of the semantics of his era .
 
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Time exists has a measure of history and is a tool for synchronising our every day lives .

Time does not pass but things age .

Einstein was sort of correct about aging dilations but wrong about time . In his defence he was wrong because of the semantics of his era .
So all the experiments and theories has been a waste of time then?
You are aware that there has been a lot more work on this field since the days of Mr. Einstein?
 
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So all the experiments and theories has been a waste of time then?
You are aware that there has been a lot more work on this field since the days of Mr. Einstein?
I am aware that scientists are pressured into continuing the work of the past even if that work is incorrect . If they do not comply with this rule , their work is deemed that of a crackpot or a troll and their scientific papers will be thrown in the trash .
The reason for this is that atomic clocks are big business in science because they are used in the satellites to coordinate the GPS .
So even though these clocks are essentially all broken clocks , they cost a fortune .

However , not all the work is a waste of time because some of it demonstrates an aging dilation or rate of decay if you'd prefer .

Two twin steaks decided to do an experiment , the first steak went into a freezer and the twin steak went into the fridge .
2 month later the steaks met up and the steak that had been in the freezer had aged less .
 
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I was unable to imagine how the ball looked because you mistakenly placed the emphasis on water being poured onto it plus earlier discussions of gravity. If you had simply said, “Take a wet ball and look at …”, then you would have evoked the correct image in other people’s minds. But I guess you are too simple to think that.
If we were talking about a chicken dinner and I mentioned potatoes , would you not see the relationship ?

If we are talking about lensing and I mentioned pouring water onto a ball , would you not associate the ball to the lensing conversation ?
 
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I am aware that scientists are pressured into continuing the work of the past even if that work is incorrect . If they do not comply with this rule , their work is deemed that of a crackpot or a troll and their scientific papers will be thrown in the trash .
The reason for this is that atomic clocks are big business in science because they are used in the satellites to coordinate the GPS .
So even though these clocks are essentially all broken clocks , they cost a fortune .

However , not all the work is a waste of time because some of it demonstrates an aging dilation or rate of decay if you'd prefer .

Two twin steaks decided to do an experiment , the first steak went into a freezer and the twin steak went into the fridge .
2 month later the steaks met up and the steak that had been in the freezer had aged less .
I am not sure if you are joking or being serious.
How do you explain the time dilation that the satellites experiences?
 
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That is amazing. So every satellite from different nations, all agree to use broken clocks in their satellites?
Why would they do that?
I do not know if all nations use atomic clocks . If you ask science about atomic clocks , science will insist the clocks are not broke so I suppose that is why they use them . If you bought a watch and went home and it was a hour slow , would you consider that a reliable watch?
 
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I do not know if all nations use atomic clocks . If you ask science about atomic clocks , science will insist the clocks are not broke so I suppose that is why they use them . If you bought a watch and went home and it was a hour slow , would you consider that a reliable watch?
Ofcourse. I would assume it was set for winter time 🤣
 
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Am I an "Einsteinian"?

Is Mr Velev a String Theory proponent and simply says GR is just plain wrong since String Theory is based on the idea that QM is correct and it's GR that needs tweaking? Find a real String Theorist and see if they'll say GR is just wrong.

It appears that there are at least two things that attract people to a denial to relativity theory.

First, it’s about space and time which people think they perceive directly. And even though everything they deal with moves only a minuscule speed compared to light, they suppose that their experience must also apply to things moving a million or a hundred million times faster.

Second, relativity theory is essentially the work of a single man, Albert Einstein. So people suppose all they have to do is find where Einstein was wrong.

Any talented student of theoretical physics can, and indeed must, master the skill of being able to describe a generally covariant field theory in curved spacetime, of which Einstein’s theory is the simplest example.

The concepts and the mathematical apparatus of general relativity are fundamental to quantum field theory. And quantum field theory is a much harder subject to study than the simple classical field theory of gravitation.

But there are many, tens, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of physicists and physics students out there in the world (it’s a big world) who know how to derive Einstein’s field equations from the Einstein—Hilbert Lagrangian, how to solve those field equations in the simpler cases (e.g., spherical symmetry, axisymmetry, homogeneous and isotropic spacetime), or how to deduce the weak field, slow motion approximation and relate it to the Poisson equation for gravitation and thus, Newtonian gravity.

Quantum mechanics, which is much more counter-intuitive, was developed by a whole community of physicists Heisenberg, Born, Jordan, Schroedinger, Dirac, Pauli, Feynman… Einstein did not develop his theory in the total isolation of a cramped garret room. He was in communication, in person and by means of letters, with the physics community in Europe. Other smart people contributed to his theory: Poincare’, Lorentz, Fitzgerald, Hilbert, Minkowski, Dirac, Mach…

Today the theory is presented in a simpler and clearer fashion than Einstein’s own formulation. So people look back at Einstein’s papers and pick on some unfortunate or haphazard phrasing or assumption and beat it to death. Einstein did make some mistakes. He originally thought there would be gravitational waves and then he wrote a paper with Rosen concluding there couldn’t be gravitational waves, however they have been found today…but it was in error and he wrote a third paper about gravitational waves. He, like most people up to Roger Penrose in the ‘60s, thought black holes could not form and wrote a paper about it.

Third, people don’t know the details of the experimental proofs of relativity theory because they don’t know the Newtonian physics very well. They want to rely on thought experiments where, in their own thoughts, contradictions of relativity arise. Because it is counter-intuitive, it is hard to conceive a contrary relativistic thought experiment without deceiving yourself.

If you have a problem then destroy Einstein's arguments with logic and mathematics. But mainstream Physics does not do that. Instead it attributes ridiculous properties to some obscure virtual particle, justifies it by inventing another hypotheical field, then claims victory. It then labels dissenters as Fruit Cakes and the moves ever onward to the Great Unification which is totally inplausible.

Imagine that you are moving at 70mph on the motorway, and a police car overtakes you.

From where you are sitting — the police car seems to be moving at 10mph.

How fast is the police car going relative to the road?

Hopefully, you should instinctively say that the police car is going at 70+10=8070+10=80mph.

This is — to humans — instinctively obvious, and the way the world works.

Mathematically, speaking, what you have done in this case is called a Galilean Transform. You have “transformed” between two frames, the frame which is moving at 70mph along the road (you in the car), and the frame which is stationary on the road.

Thus, since you have worked out the relative speed, using a Galilean transform, we call this kind of physics Galilean Relativity.

Galilean Relativity is simply defined by just adding (or taking away) the frame velocity. All observers measure the same amount of time passing.

Therefore, if person A measures an object at position 𝑥𝐴 at time 𝑡𝐴t, then person B (who is in a car moving at velocity 𝑣) measures the same object to be at:

Position: 𝑥𝐵=𝑥𝐴−𝑣𝑡xB=xA−vt

Time: 𝑡𝐵=𝑡𝐴tB=tA

This is all exactly what you would think intuitively — and how physics modelled the world before the 20th century.

However, in 1905, a really clever bloke by the name of Albert Einstein realised that something was fishy.

Our best theory of electromagnetism predicted some weird stuff. See — when you try and use electromagnetism to predict the speed of light, it quite simply tells you that:

𝑣𝑙𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡=1𝜇0𝜖0√≈3×108vlight=1μ0ϵ0≈3×108ms−1−1

Which is nice….except that it doesn’t tell you who is measuring it.

That’s like saying “how fast is the car going?” and the answer being “10mph”, but not telling you if that’s with respect to the road, another car or even the centre of our galaxy.

A lot of people assumed that this implied that there was some sort of fixed reference frame, which the laws of physics referred to by default — much like if I said I was travelling at 50mph you would assume I was talking about relative to the road.

If I measure light as travelling at 𝑐c, and my buddy is on a car on the motorway, then he obviously measures the same beam of light to be travelling at 𝑐′=𝑐−70c′=c−70mph

Right? Nope.

If you assume this “light-speed postulate” to be true, then you find out that Galilean relativity is wrong.

For starters — time enters into the equation. Not everyone measures time to be the same! Me and my buddy on the motorway are actually measuring time to be ever so slightly different! Space, too, is affected — my buddy on the motorway and I cannot agree on how long a road is, for example.

Now — the speed of light is fantastically large, so these discrepancies in time and space for travelling observers is tiny almost all of the time — WolframAlpha* just gives up trying to calculate the difference for 70mph because it’s so small!

If you do the maths, then you find out that with the addition of this extra postulate, our new “relativity” is given by the following transforms — which we call Special Relativity.

𝑡𝐵=𝛾(𝑡𝐴−𝑣𝑥𝐴𝑐2)tB=γ(tA−vxAc2)
𝑥𝐵=𝛾(𝑥𝐴−𝑣𝑡)xB=γ(xA−vt)
Where 𝛾=11−𝑣2𝑐2√γ=11−v2c2

Now — that second equation is really similar to the Galilean version, isn’t it? There’s just the added constant 𝛾γ multiplying everything. At ‘normal’ speeds, 𝛾≈1γ≈1, which is why Galilean Relativity looks right!

The only really weird bit is that time transforms here. If my friend is moving at 60% the speed of light, for a year (his time), then whilst he measures a year, I measure 𝑡𝑚𝑒=11−0.62√∗1yr=1.25yrtme=11−0.62∗1yr=1.25yr

Weird, right?
Well — not so much.

The only reason we think it is weird is because in 99.99% of our lives, this effect is totally ignorable — it doesn’t affect us in the slightest. It is only for stuff going really fast that it matters!

There’s a load more mathematical formalism in Special Relativity — this is obviously only an incredibly brief overview.

Stuff gets even more complicated when you try and factor in Gravity.

In fact, it gets so complicated that you realise special relativity doesn’t work at all! You need another kind of relativity — which we call General Relativity.

General Relativity is really involved, so I won’t go into it here, but this is where all the “curved space” stuff you hear about comes from.

So ultimately, what is relativity?

All theories of relativity (Galilean, Special & General) give you rules about how to tell what the universe looks like to different people.

Different people measure the universe to be different, depending on their position, velocity and acceleration. A theory of relativity allows you to “transform” between these different people, and see what they each measure.
Fundamentally, that is all they tell you — but as you can see from the fact that my answer isn’t one paragraph long, it’s somewhat more complicated than that!

This stationary reference frame was called the “aether”. But nobody could find it.

So Einstein came at the problem from a different direction. He supposed that rather than the equations telling you that light travelled at 𝑐 in some “default” frame — he supposed that the equations told us that light is measured to have the same speed by everyone, no matter how fast they are travelling.
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Time dilation just happens to be my field. Tell me more about how it is a fake science.
Time dilation... Would that be similar to when atomic shell temperatures rise and fall creating different magnetic response therefore slowing down or speeding up time. If not change polarity/direction etc?
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Time dilation... Would that be similar to when atomic shell temperatures rise and fall creating different magnetic response therefore slowing down or speeding up time. If not change polarity/direction etc?
What we measure as "time", is the relationship between any aspect of space we can conceive of in relation to the idea of space we conceptualize as a whole.
We conceptualize the space we have passed through (remember, and do not doubt, that all that exists is always in motion) as an idea we call "the past".
We call the scope of the individual human perspective "life", and what lies beyond that "death".
This is the nature of inner and outer space:
What we have passed through is passed through, and what remains is what remains.
 
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What we measure as "time", is the relationship between any aspect of space we can conceive of in relation to the idea of space we conceptualize as a whole.
We conceptualize the space we have passed through (remember, and do not doubt, that all that exists is always in motion) as an idea we call "the past".
We call the scope of the individual human perspective "life", and what lies beyond that "death".
This is the nature of inner and outer space:
What we have passed through is passed through, and what remains is what remains.
Time is a product of timing !

Time is abstract !

Time is constant!

Ageing is real !

Ageing can speed up or slow down !