Why vitamin C won't 'boost' your immune system against the coronavirus

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"Collagen likely is not much of a factor, but vitamin C can get depleted easily during an infection. The stronger the infection, the more vitamin C is lost - especially if inflammation is involved." When vitamin C is depleted (for whatever reason) collagen is involved and the potential for scurvy and other diseases increases. Injections might be required to avoid the immediate effects. Others here have already reported on the many other effects that Vitamin C might have, the medical community's skepticism notwithstanding. Linus Pauling was a leader in promoting vitamin C for good health and he suffered the disdain of the medical community. That said, the ad hoc virtues and effects of ascorbic acid need clinical study.
 
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In the 1970's in the ancient of days before Robert Rodale gave himself a stroke by overdosing anticoagulant nutritional supplements I took alot of vitamin C. The general drift at the time was that the minimum dose for causing hyperactive blastophenia of macrophages was 5 grams per day, so it seems nonsensical to hope for any significant immune boosting effects from less, though more than 10 grams a day causes intolerable diarrhea and is generally weakening and dehydrating... the only diarrhea properly treated with enormous quantities of food with the fluid.

So the macrophages "blastophenia" came at amounts that make 0.2g (200mg) per day a "why bother?" Since the article seems based around this joke amount... hmm. Not allowed on this forum to say that.
Vitamin C is generally useless for cancer and may just make many cancers harder, more dense and more difficult to penetrate by immune cells. Since they don't generally get marked for removal by antibodies, macrophages hyperactivity is effectively meaningless in their treatment unless one should first render them dead... then macrophages will eat them. Alas! This has always been the difficulty.

As regards augmenting immunity to stimulate production and activity of the Natural Killer T cells known to mitigate both cancer y Covid-19 by means of substances readily available at the store, $$$$$$$$$$$ conflicts of interest appear to have made the entire subject taboo on this forum, which leaves me to recommend that you try to find a doctor who won't kill you obviously and outright... preferably one you can beat armwrestling( there's that predatory personality trait associated with extreme genetically conferred arm strength, this... psychiatrists and at least some doctor's with this "bet you can't open the jar he just tightened" genetics characteristic (was it an excessive multiple copies of creatine kinase gene?) that it's best to avoid to keep living and not be lobotomized. In any event... there was a LiveScience article that included advice to take probiotics. It said nothing about large doses of probiotics enhancing dendritic cell output of interleukin 15 thus activating Natural Killer T cells into action. Vitamin C is your own lookout. Dexamethasone appears to enhance survival in those with COVID 19 though I've seen articles that advise against it because later it may make you feel bad??? I'd say beats the alternative (Bob Hope was funny!)
 
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Vinnie.. If I understand your comment (and I may not), you seem to recommend doses of Vitamin C somewhere between 200 mg and less than 10,000 mg a day...say 500 mg to 1000 mg?....to stay healthy, or to do what? Certainly, no sudden increase in any vitamins will have any effect on a disease like the Covid-19 once you contract it. But in the absence of clinical studies, it might help to boost an immune system. Cancer is a totally different situation.
 
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Actually for general health outside of a challenge situation like Covid-19 100mgs per day is fine. For stimulating macrophages activity 5000mgs is the optimal dose. This also appears to reduce inflammatory infiltration of eosinophils and assists with quicker maturation of T cells in senescent thymus glands, according to the Pub Med and NCBI posts I read after posting this morning on LiveScience. The eosinophil infiltration inhibition may reduce inflammation from Covid-19 cytokine storms, while interfering with the effectiveness of aspects of cancer treatment dependent on inflammation from such things as eosinophils and alpha TNF to work. Also, the improved T cell maturation times can be helpful, although it appears at first glance from the studies I read this morning that T1 cells are thus assisted more than the T2 cells helpful against Covid-19.

I long ago advised dexamethasone as the likely steroid of choice in COVID 19 treatment and epidemiology has since borne my guess correct.

Theupshot of my comment was: the 0.2 g mean dose of the studies cited in this article is as inappropriately tiny for the purposes of establishing immune enhancement as would be similarly a 100 microgram dose daily would be toward the treatment of scurvy. One way to prove a falsehood, such as the supposed uselessness of vitamin C in the treatment of scurvy, or the prevention and treat me not of at least certain viral infections is to use small token doses... such as those suggested in the article here.
I also alluded to something else that has also been deliberately mis-studied in a similar fashion: probiotics.
My third allusion was toward the 1000 years secret that many doctors, psychiatrists and their historical predecessors have genetic characteristic giving them powerful arms beyond human capacities, allowing them to seal jars so nobody else can open them, meaningfully armwrestle only each other... and they all share then a character disorder that causes them to orgasm when they kill or lobotomize that otherwise appears to be like combined narcissistic/borderline personality disorder. They refer to themselves in their secret society as Friends of the Devil or some such. Thus, virtually all psychiatrists and their mothers/sisters are incredibly dangerous, and dad may have found his way into the menu a la by Oedipus, followed by convenient adolescents drawn by mom until she got too old and was replaced by the sister of a fellow Friend. So do you know doctor's whose mothers somehow stubbornly continued to live across the street from them through and even after med school? Blood, flesh and bone. Her room is dressed in red.
 
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I haven't seen anything clinical that would suggest harm to someone trying to boost their immune system by taking larger doses of vitamin C ...up to 1000 mg. per day. Just the strengthening of connective tissue collagens in immune system tissues might help.

As for well-kept secrets among physicians opening jars??? Those with masks on and shaking rattles to scare a virus away? Irrelevant. :)
 
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I haven't seen anything clinical that would suggest harm to someone trying to boost their immune system by taking larger doses of vitamin C ...up to 1000 mg. per day. Just the strengthening of connective tissue collagens in immune system tissues might help.
There is potential harm from increased risk of kidney stones. Not a frequent occurrence, but still possible. Also some people still get abdominal issues even at 1000 mg / day.

I would like to see any papers that suggest 5000 mg is optimal for macrophage function in humans. As far as I know, this doesn't exist but I am willing to yield to evidence.
 
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I haven't seen anything clinical that would suggest harm to someone trying to boost their immune system by taking larger doses of vitamin C ...up to 1000 mg. per day. Just the strengthening of connective tissue collagens in immune system tissues might help.

As for well-kept secrets among physicians opening jars??? Those with masks on and shaking rattles to scare a virus away? Irrelevant. :)
The thing I like is that the FBI reads my posts because I invited them to, and investigates my every scientific and criminal allegation. The once enormous authority of Pharma, medicine, the AMA, both APAs et al. are now beyond doubt in doubt. The authoritarian stranglehold on information held by what has been revealed now to law enforcement as actually a pack of serial killers is broken. When such doctors are shown powerful evidence of substances that help humanity when properly used, the best expected reaction is for them to "fail to see it." Such things threaten the love of watching people die while feigning to help... the great holy grail of narcissistic borderline allopathy and the promise of eternal exploitive profitability to those consortia of pharmaceutical companies commonly regarded as "Pharma".

Fortunately, few indeed now take seriously those who recite the official policy of the AMA. It is the official policy of the AMA that nutritional elements are only of value in the treatment of their associated deficiency disease. In the case of vitamin C this would refer to the connective tissue disorder alluded to by the physician commenting: scurvy. It is the official policy of the RICO organization called the AMA that no naturally occurring substance is of value in the prevention or treatment of any disease. Their Pharma profit/love of death Sugarplum Fairy image is of every person able to pay consuming an artificial soup of pharmaceutically produced chemicals so the pockets of the poor and wealthy alike can be emptied on the way to the grave by the consortia of RICO organizations refered to in Toto as "Pharma".
 
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Agree that most physicians accept their own RMD, recommended Vitamin C dose to prevent scurvy. There is, however, a difference between AMA and "Pharma". The latter has to spend money on pharmaceutical drug research, much of which never turns out to be something the FDA might approve or that the AMA can recommend. The AMA spends little or nothing on drug research. No company (the government excluded) can operate for very long without a profit on the totality of their products.
 
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Risk of kidney stones?? There is potential harm in doing anything. Life is unpredictable...eat dessert first?
Kidney stones are documented in at least two (possibly three) studies in association with vitamin C supplementation. However, that doesn't say why kidney stone risk goes up. My guess is that it's not the vitamin C that's the problem, it just exposing a problem that already exists.
 
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It appears from reading back through this entire thread that there is little risk of toxicity, morbidity, in taking large amounts of vitamin C, orally or by injection. Of course, common sense should tell us not to overdo what has been clinically overdone to prove that.
 

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