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Why are deaths from coronavirus so high in Italy?

Mar 6, 2020
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My Uneducated guess is that it mutates and becomes stronger or IF IT IS MANMADE bioterrorism, maybe they unleashed a larger amount of the virus in Italy
 
Mar 10, 2020
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That's not very scientific. Who are 'they' and how did they unleash larger amounts of the virus in Italy? Were they basting hand rails with the virus? Is it not more feasible that the virus mutated on it's own like every other virus that humans pick up. Misinformation is manmade ya big uneducated guesser.
My Uneducated guess is that it mutates and becomes stronger or IF IT IS MANMADE bioterrorism, maybe they unleashed a larger amount of the virus in Italy
 
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That's not very scientific. Who are 'they' and how did they unleash larger amounts of the virus in Italy? Were they basting hand rails with the virus? Is it not more feasible that the virus mutated on it's own like every other virus that humans pick up. Misinformation is manmade ya big uneducated guesser.
Why not blame the neighbor to the Northeast of China. Conspiracy theorist's can claim it was in some of the test fired missiles to get the conspiracy theories going full force. Sure they are supposed to be allies but in reality who would come to the military aid of China? Since the missile firing nation denies any cases at all period and knowing the neighbor to the South is a Nato country with thousands of U.S. military present why not.Sounds like a good conspiracy theory to me.
In reality it most likely will never be made clear where it really came from or how it started because of where it started since China loves to keep their inner problems as quiet as possible.Who know where we would be if not for the Chinese doctor who first blew the whistle and has now paid the price with his own death from the virus.
Still in the USA our leaders continue to point fingers when they should stand together to attempt to stop the spread but politics overrides the health of the nation.
 
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Mar 10, 2020
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This is not a very good article.
It missed one of the obvious reasons why Italians have infected each other so quickly. Body contact! They are one of the cuddliest nations on the planet. Anyone who has hung out with them knows how touchy and feely they are, even old men walk down the street holding hands no matter their orientation. It's just friendship. They sit on the bus and lean all over each other with their arms around each other. Then you have the hugging and kissing and large families hanging out with much physical love. The large aging population also has lots of aging friends so they are very social playing Bocci Ball (sorry if that is not spelled correctly) and chess and whatnot.
The weather helps this happen although there would be similarities in Spain, but not to the same extent.

It's hard to take any article seriously that hasn't noticed this massive societal difference in Italy which differentiates it to many European places.
 
Mar 11, 2020
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Please stop saying that these face masks are protective against covid 19! They're not and consumers are buying up all the masks that we desperately need in hospitals and dental practices. They only work for basic medical hygiene such as the dentist not accidentally spitting in someone's mouth and avoiding little snot pieces falling out of their nose onto people.
 
Mar 11, 2020
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Deaths from the new coronavirus in Italy have soared in recent days, with a death rate of 5%. Here's why that rate is so high.

Why are deaths from coronavirus so high in Italy? : Read more
The Italians have a very poor SOCIAL-SECURITY Net; and people have to search far & wide for work. This is from my best information.
Unless things have much changed, and very recently.

So there is this mass movement of rural folk in the country lanes and ruddy-necked men braving the world of the towns and cities for jobs, because there is very little Social-Security support. These people are ideal Covid19 vectors.
 
Jan 22, 2020
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My Uneducated guess is that it mutates and becomes stronger or IF IT IS MANMADE bioterrorism, maybe they unleashed a larger amount of the virus in Italy
Lisa...you do raise a good point in spite of being "uneducated" ... hopefully FEMA, NIH, and the CDC are noting how vulnerable we (all populations) are to bio-terrorism. Very likely some others are "noting".
 
Jan 14, 2020
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More deaths among older people, older population in Italy, possibly missing milder cases especially among younger people, all possible reasons for higher death rate. From the data we have-10% death rate in older people, doubling time 3-6 days, 3-4 weeks from infection to death, there were ~3500 cases 3-4 weeks ago (when the people now dying were infected) which has doubled 3-9 times, so 8-500x since then, so Italy now has 30,000-150,000 cases, vs 9000 known cases.
 
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Mar 15, 2020
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Don't have any science on this but in the weeks leading up to Italy's infection rate there were quite a few Chinese tourists in Venice, Rome, etc. They love to travel to Italy and perhaps there was such a saturation of contagion there.
 
Mar 9, 2020
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I am confused by Italy because I put store in the notion that ACE2 genome/enzyme distribution might predict severity of the epidemic.

Italy has the lowest prevalence of the genome in the European countries surveyed by the following research.
in Table 2
 
Mar 16, 2020
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Michael F. Holick, MD, PhD, Professor of Physiology and Biophysics, and leading authority on vitamin D, writes:

"Most children and adults are vitamin D deficient in the winter. Essentially no vitamin D can be made from sun exposure during the months of November through March if you live above or below 35 degrees latitude (e.g. Busan, S. Korea, Xi'an, China, Atlanta, USA or Malaga, Spain).

It has been suggested that there is a seasonal stimulus for developing viral infections such as the flu during the winter time. At the time of the peak flu season in the winter is at exactly the same time a person's vitamin D status [blood level of 25-hydroxyvitamin D] is at its lowest level. Vitamin D plays an important role in maintaining a healthy immune system and therefore winter-associated vitamin D deficiency can weaken the immune system increasing the risk of developing viral infections that cause upper respiratory tract infections. There is evidence that adequate levels of vitamin D during the winter can result in a reduction in the incidence of influenza A and in other viral illnesses of the respiratory tract.

Given the newness of the coronavirus (COVID-19), no research has studied how vitamin D levels might be associated with the incidence or severity of a coronavirus infection. However, at this time I believe it is prudent to make sure everyone has adequate vitamin D levels."

Ernest T. Armstrong, inventor of the vitamin D promoting sunscreen Solar D® (solar-d.com), writes: "All countries worst hit by COVID-19 are northern, wintertime countries or countries where people get very little sunshine and therefore make very little vitamin D in their skin. If the COVID-19 acts similar to other known seasonal viruses, then in the spring as the sun climbs higher in the sky, people will make more vitamin D, immune-system suppression will lessen, and the number of new cases of COVID-19 will fall dramatically."
 
Mar 16, 2020
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From what I have read, Italy's population has the oldest median age. For those unfamiliar with the term, Median age is the age that divides a population into two numerically equally sized groups - that is, half the people are younger than this age and half are older. It is a single index that summarizes the age distribution of a population. 46 is the median age in Italy's case, which makes it one of the oldest, if not the oldest nation on earth. As the virus seems most effective on the older generation, Italy is suffering the most. Plus the fact they are a very tactile race.
 
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Mar 12, 2020
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CLOVID-19 patients are infected with a zoonotic coronavirus that comes from an animal* that has a core body temperature 3 degrees C higher than humans. The human body’s immune system, especially seniors**, can not produce a fever high enough to effectively fight this virus.

* In fact ALL of human’s deadliest flus come from animals (pig, bird, bat, camel) with core body temperatures at least 3 degrees C higher than man.

** Seniors can have core body temperatures as low as 36C and their immune systems are sometimes not even capable of producing any type of a fever. Children on the other hand have extremely effective immune systems and spike high fevers very easily.
 
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The reasons why the # of cases and # of deaths are so high in Italy are fourfold:

#1 Italy signed a memorandum of understanding with China to take part in its giant Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) trade project. Because of that, thousands of people from China were coming into Italy even after the threat of COVID-19 became known

#2 As a result of #1 and not taking the threat seriously, they acted too late to stop all travel from China and close its borders.

#3 A recent study found that 95% of the people in Italy who died had one or more underlying health issues that put them at high-risk of contracting the virus. This is also why the case count was so high.

#4. Italy's government-run health care system is awful and a lot worse than in other countries with similar systems.
 
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Mar 22, 2020
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Unfortunately, the "aging population" theory doesn't hold when we look at Japan, which has the oldest population on earth. They've only had a small handful of cases by comparison to other countries on a percentage basis (as well as on a pure numbers basis).

The bio-weapon theory also fails because there is no clear pattern regarding who could be the intended target.

I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other about panic and fear rates, but I suspect this is at the root of the issue. Countries that have experienced greater panic and fear levels have had the worst of it. News reports out of Italy in particular in January and February showed very high paranoia levels. The Japanese, on the other hand, have been relatively calm about it. I suspect this is the governing factor where infection and death rates are concerned.
 
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Deaths from the new coronavirus in Italy have soared in recent days, with a death rate of 5%. Here's why that rate is so high.

Why are deaths from coronavirus so high in Italy? : Read more
High compared to what? Seasonal Flu epidemics cause more deaths in Italy than the current number of deaths attributed to the SARS-nCov2.


e.g.
"We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively"

Number of deaths is as expected in any flu season in Italy.

Death Rate is an extremely unreliable quantity since the denominator is based on something we can never know for sure: The number of people infected who were not detected as having been infected.

Mods: What happened to my other posts? Have they been deleted?
 
Mar 22, 2020
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Italy and Other Needs solutions China Death Rates falls off. I don’t understand why world is not sharing the information about the way of curing their patients
 
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Second This Covid-19 is a RNA Virus, as I read about its molecular structure and behavior it’s way of action is slow in the beginning but as it take over on ACE-2 the action stimulates and accelerate.
 

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