The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.

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I saw an interesting video related to the Coronavirus recently.
Check it out.
Does the Corona-virus make you think more about death?
Short answer, of course it does. It makes me think about death, and what kind of world is being left for my children. Thank you for sharing this. Many people are very quick to dismiss Christianity as an old-timey myth and even hoax at many times. There is a lot of corruption in churches for sure and ways people can point fingers, but if you read the teachings of Jesus, you'll realize that even the fools and hypocrites are never able to undermine the message he brought for humanity. His message gets watered down many times, but when you go to the source, it's powerful, and provides hope where it looks hopeless. We don't live in a sober society, and I'm not just talking about alcohol and psychoactive substance. We live steeped in comfort and in such a well secured bubble. Life can seem hectic at times, but in the spectrum of human history, most of us live in a lot of order. We are able to live in a world of comfort and drown out the idea of mortality. Events such as wars, pandemics, natural disasters, etc, are no doubt horrible and I pray that God will spare us from these things, but they do have the effect of waking people up. It's the bucket of icy water thrown on a drunk man. I hope people do think more about this and take the afterlife seriously. If anyone's determined after careful thought that you don't believe in that, I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. But sometimes these events can push people into forcing them to consider it in a way they never were able to before. Thanks again for sharing.
 
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To be fair there are a few things here. Number one, China is extremely densely populated whilst also having very close proximity to wildlife.
Whilst China is not the only country that has wet markets they are very plentiful and the key point is that they are mostly in very densely populated places. China is one of the few countries that has wet markets say 50 meters away from 5 star hotels or office buildings for example. This does mean that the jump is easier.
Historically China has also been the source for many diseases in the past again due to the abundance of wildlife within a close proximity to a huge amount of people. The fact that China is so verdant and so crowded makes it the perfect breeding ground for this.
Also, the wet markets in China are more unhygienic than any I have seen even compared to Africa where the population density is much lower in general. This lack of hygiene does mean that exposures are much higher potentially.
Also, shutting down these markets would be very difficult, as many people depend on it and they proprietors of these markets take measures against being caught. It would be about the same level of difficulty as shutting down a drug dealer in the US.
 
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Also, shutting down these markets would be very difficult, as many people depend on it and they proprietors of these markets take measures against being caught. It would be about the same level of difficulty as shutting down a drug dealer in the US.
Probably even harder. Most people would agree that drug dealers should not be in our neighborhoods or a thing of society, but practically everyone there participates in wet markets. It's the most popular way to buy your groceries there. They do have grocery stores, but even those are only marginally more sanitary than the wet markets. The grocery stores are more expensive and the food at wet markets overall tends to be more fresh, so of course people are mostly going to choose that.
 
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Glad that there's been an article debunking this. It's depressing how many people on the forums think that this virus was manmade.
Obviously 'manmade' is one thing, 'escaped from a lab' something else. Amazing how determined people are to rule out the latter. Here's a credible article on that possibility:
Science writers bring the whole field into disrepute when they state with such certainty things that simply aren't known.
 
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This article assumes people imagine the virus was made from thin air in a laboratory that studies infectious diseases. How vapid and useless an assumption. The article also provides to compelling evidence that the virus did in fact come from a pangolin. The nearest bats are supposedly 900k away, if a pangolin was infected by a bat it would obviously need to be from the region of the bats habit. It could possibly have been captured from there and then transported as a delicacy.

Over half the initial infected worked at the wet market. So we are to assume the pangolin infected those people? What about all the people on the 900k journey there. Why is it so ludicrous to think there was a misstep in safety precautions and an individual was infected at the lab and spread it to the community. After all, would it be the first mishap in a laboratory in history?
 
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THis Chinse Virus is either man-made or escaped from the lab or both. So, all of a sudden a virus just manifested itself. Tell that to the dogs and if dogs heard you say that, they probably won't believe it.
Using your flawed logic, viruses then have only appeared since modern day labs. Common sense is a good starting point when attempting to theorize outside a tinfoil hat. Just saying
 
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This article assumes people imagine the virus was made from thin air in a laboratory that studies infectious diseases. How vapid and useless an assumption. The article also provides to compelling evidence that the virus did in fact come from a pangolin. The nearest bats are supposedly 900k away, if a pangolin was infected by a bat it would obviously need to be from the region of the bats habit. It could possibly have been captured from there and then transported as a delicacy.

Over half the initial infected worked at the wet market. So we are to assume the pangolin infected those people? What about all the people on the 900k journey there. Why is it so ludicrous to think there was a misstep in safety precautions and an individual was infected at the lab and spread it to the community. After all, would it be the first mishap in a laboratory in history?
Well, one important bit of information is being continually overlooked by these "theories," this virus didn't just suddenly appear in a lab, it HAS mutated to humans, so in order for it to be in the lab in the FIRST place, it will have ALREADY infected humans, & due to it's highly contagious attributes, it would have caused an epidemic first BEFORE ever even making it to a lab.
 
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A persistent coronavirus myth that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan is completely unfounded. Here's how we know.

The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know. : Read more
As with every living thing on the planet, this mutated into it's present form, thereby permitting it to jump species
This has proven to be a path for corona viruses, ie: SARS & MERS. What some are suggesting is that viruses do NOT just suddenly "appear" rather, they MUST come from a lab.
I believe their tinfoil hat has cut off circulation to their common sense. Viruses have been suddenly "appearing" and wrecking havoc on mankind for as long as there's BEEN mankind. People have the false impression that THIS particular virus is just "the worst we've ever seen," and that is categorically false. Were other viruses in history able to travel globally, piggybacked on the highly mobile society of today, mankind would have been decimated time and time again, likely resulting in a world population a fraction of what it is. (It's highly inappropriate for you Green New Deal fanatics to be cheering that thought as you most assuredly are!)

Even without a vaccine, the fatality rate of the novel coronavirus is less than 1% that we know of, and since many that have been infected have few symptoms or are even asymptomatic, the actual rate will prove to be much lower.

The H1N1 Spanish Flu of 1918/19 was FAR deadlier, having infected approx 1/4 of Earth's population at the time, about 500M, and killing an estimated 20-50M. Some people would be dead within a mere 12 hours of showing the first symptom. So in the broad picture, this is FAR from the apocalyptic virus many fear-mongerers and conspiracy theorists make it out to be

If a mad scientist wanted to unleash Hell on the world, he would have cooked up a virus that could stay alive outside the host for lengthy periods of time as this does, but created one that is FAR more fatal than less than 1%.

I'm sorry, but it's laughable that people try to act like they know what they're talking about when simple facts, well documented history, and common sense are COMPLETELY ignored.

This virus is nothing more than a new, more virulent strain of CoV that mutated and jumped species, just as the ones before it did, and it very short order a vaccine will have been tested and administered and it will die out and be nothing more than a memory and subject to be studied and learned from to provide us with better ammunition for the all but guaranteed NEXT CoV epidemic.

All you people out there that presented with scientific data & fact, with history and context, and with common sense and logic and you STILL cling to the conspiracy theories that are out there, well, it's a good idea that you quickly build a survival bunker because you may have missed the news that aliens HAVE arrived and are hiding out in the hollow part of the Earth, having first built colonies on the far side of the moon (which was the REAL reasons for the Apollo missions, to establish diplomatic relations) and now govern the planet via mind control of world leaders, especially Putin who, by spending $120,000 of ads on FB was able to create more influence than the other $2.4 BILLION thereby turning the tide in his, and thus the aliens, favor!

WHEW!!! Now THAT was a patchwork of theories that threaded together perfectly, just for all you tin-hatters out there!! (Scary thing is just how many people actually BELIEVE even one slice of ANY of it!!)
 
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I always prefer to use logic when trying to decipher the unknown in any case. I would just like to make a few points that are absolute. Just to state my position I am undecided on this it could be either way I don't know there simply isn't enough clear information yet to make any determination.

#1 - If a virus where to be engineered with the intention of release we need to consider why such a virus would be released. In this case there would likely one of two goals which would be minimal depopulation or maximal depopulation.

#2 - There would be a number of criteria that would have to be met in order to have a good candidate for each of these two types. I will just lay out some points for a minimal mortality virus.

- Mortality highest in oldest patients
- Easily transmitted
- Rapidly spreading
- Stealthy
- Here is the most important attribute: The structure of the virus is built in a way that is indistinguishable from what would be expected to be seen in nature. The best I can compare this idea from experience comes from Doom mapping. There has been competitions whereby mappers are instructed to create a 90's style map. That is actually really hard to and do well but the winners do it in a way that their mistakes look genuine and that is very hard to do when knowingly making mistakes.

If this was created purposefully the engineers did an absolute perfect job and would relish seeing this article while basking in success. Conspiracy theories aside I am undecided however in any case just like going to trial you are innocent until proven guilty this is natural until proven otherwise by logic and hard facts of course.
Except that the actual mortality rate is EXTREMELY low, and most importantly, since we've already dealt with other CoV's, the inevitability of a vaccine before it could accomplish even a fraction of your theory's stated goal is all but guaranteed. So IF manufactured, they did a HORRIBLE job. This virus hasn't even made a ripple in the earth's population, so your theory crashes on, well, common sense.
 
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The Author seems to be more of a journalist with a political slant than a Scientist. One thing is certain: she is no expert in Biological Warfare. She has created a Straw Man argument, then "debunked" it. Nice, as far as that goes. The Author has disingenuously conflated two separate issues. Merely to say that the new Coronavirus was not "engineered" does not answer the more important question, "Was the virus studied and stored in a Lab and released on the public?"

To answer this question properly, we must draw on the knowledge and experience of forensic experts in, not only Science, but in multiple disciplines, including Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Military.

Indeed, it appears Coronavirus was not "engineered" in a Lab. But that settles little. According to Biological Warfare (CBRN) expert, Col. Thad Rybaki, "many viruses and other materials studied in labs are naturally occurring, and can be spread through common means. Throughout History, naturally occurring bacteria and viruses have been used by Armies and Nations to sicken people. Using a naturally occurring virus would be akin to a criminal using an untraceable, unmarked, unregistered or stolen gun."

According to Rybaki, the Chinese government, as with other totalitarian regimes, would not hesitate to collaterally harm its own people if it thought it could obtain advantage by causing more harm on an enemy. Rybaki also thought the virus could have been accidentally released from the Wuhan lab.

So then, before we make sweeping statements, conflate issues, make straw man arguments, attribute them to others, then "debunk them," let's see what the evidence shows.

Perhaps it is coincidental that China's national institute of virology, responsible for studying biological weapons, is in Wuhan. Perhaps it is coincidental that Chinese scientists who stated that the virus was released from the Wuhan lab have been silenced.

Perhaps it is coincidental that Chinese leaders lied about human to human transmissibility of the virus, and allowed some 5 million Wuhan residents to leave the city for points around China and the world.

Perhaps it is coincidental that shortly after the outbreak, Chinese leader Xi Jinping stated that biosecurity measures must be put in place because lab safety is a national security issue. Perhaps it is coincidental that shortly after that statement, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology released a new directive titled: “Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.”

The bottom line is, scientists have differing opinions on whether the naturally occurring virus was released from the Wuhan lab, and the author's article is misleading on this point. https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/
 
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Just because the SARS-cov-2 virus was not bioengineered does not mean it could not be deliberately employed as a bioweapon. It simply could have been a known, lethal virus that occurs in nature, but was carefully cultivated and stored ('stockpiled')...for further use.
 
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Yeah it looks legit and it is good to see. I'm almost ready to take the tinfoil off. 😁 However, is it not possible that it could still be engineered but made not to look engineered?
Anything’s possible, of course, but this is unlikely, since there’s no benefits to engineering an organism this way.
 
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Authors please explain to me why these coincidences

1. Wuhan is a primary center of Chinese virus research and is the place where virus originated
2. has level 4 lab that studied Corona viruses
3. has a filthy market where people either bough or sold wild animals, many alive.
4. China is known to hide and lie.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I say the virus is man made...and if that did not convince you. listen to researchers who compare genome of MERS to COVID. Evolution would need many more years to change ~ 20% of virus DNA. It had to be tempered with in the lab.
 
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Authors please explain to me why these coincidences

1. Wuhan is a primary center of Chinese virus research and is the place where virus originated
2. has level 4 lab that studied Corona viruses
3. has a filthy market where people either bough or sold wild animals, many alive.
4. China is known to hide and lie.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I say the virus is man made...and if that did not convince you. listen to researchers who compare genome of MERS to COVID. Evolution would need many more years to change ~ 20% of virus DNA. It had to be tempered with in the lab.
Why did Bill Gates choose China?
Why are the WHO in the pocket of China?
Please show us one country not lying bout numbers currently?

why does Event 201 show like for like everything happened, why is Bill obsessed with coronavirus? why does he own the patent to coronavirus?

This smacks of a deliberate leak, but the country could be anyone..
 
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Why did China delay notifying the world of the issue with COVID-19? If they didn’t make it, were they conducting experimental modifications on SARS-2 Corona viruses. Questions are numerous, and valid responses are small
Correct. In everything you questioned and stated. The virus is the fruit of something much much larger than anyone would be willing to accept. The truth IS out there, but one must use so many precautionary measures, first on computer security. Which I would hope goes without saying. Second, search terms must not be blatant. And third, why go through all that when there is a public video stating exactly how it was made, where it was made and background information on it. The question people should be asking is WHY ! And that answer, with today's technology , you will find. If your smart. The video, if I posted it, I'm sure would be taken down and I would be banned.
 
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It would be nice if this comment directly referenced the sources for the claims about the Wuhan lab's work and it's hiring notices.
I do apologize for the lack of references, I will attempt to carve out some time to do that. I have been busy beyond what I thought capable.
 
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This is a ridiculous argument. Nothing they said proves it didn't come out of that lab- nothing. They could have been studying and then one of the workers was sickened or perhaps they sold another lab animal to the market. Other viruses have escaped from that particular lab and other level 4 Chinese labs. Something could be from nature and come out of a lab. So if they would mislead us there who knows what they are leaving out or what faulty logic they are using to say it didn't come out of that Wuhan lab. It is all bull. It came out of that lab and it was probably engineered as well.
 
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If the headline “Here’s how we know” is replaced with “Here are our theories,” then maybe I’d consider reading the article.
 
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since there’s no benefits to engineering an organism this way.
Unless of course you wish to collapse a world economy (and/or bring other nations more powerful than you down to your level) and do so in a manner that cannot be traced back to you.
 
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Just because the SARS-cov-2 virus was not bioengineered does not mean it could not be deliberately employed as a bioweapon. It simply could have been a known, lethal virus that occurs in nature, but was carefully cultivated and stored ('stockpiled')...for further use.
Seems unlikely, though, when much deadlier and stronger diseases are out there. COVID is strong, but not the kind of thing that would be stockpiled as a weapon.
 
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Seems unlikely, though, when much deadlier and stronger diseases are out there. COVID is strong, but not the kind of thing that would be stockpiled as a weapon.
Depends on intent. If it's to cause widespread death and injury, you are correct. If it's meant to incite fear, panic, and freeze markets/economy, then it is and has been quite effective. Deadly but not too deadly. The perfect bullet, really. Goldilocks, even.
 
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Depends on intent. If it's to cause widespread death and injury, you are correct. If it's meant to incite fear, panic, and freeze markets/economy, then it is and has been quite effective. Deadly but not too deadly. The perfect bullet, really. Goldilocks, even.
Those are factors of of this pandemic for sure, but who's the target victim here? There's obvious a lot of possibilities out there, and at this point, we're in a deep information hole that's probably going to take years to get out of, depending on how aggressive the world wants to take investigations into this. But there's a reason the bioweapon theory is considered a conspiracy and an accidental breach of the virus at the lab is not.
 
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