'Quantum time flip' makes light move simultaneously forward and backward in time

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The time-flipped photon can't be used to restage "Back to the Future," but it could help us figure out some of the universe's most mysterious phenomena.

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[AntonTG]

In order to fix the movement of a photon in the opposite direction of the flow of time, it is necessary to move in the same reverse direction of the flow of time, and scientists did not launch themselves into such a reverse flow of time ... an erroneous interpretation of the results of the experiment is obvious

In addition, time is generally a pseudo physical quantity that does not exist in the real physical world, and its measurement consists simply in comparing various ongoing processes ... that is why they say that time depends on the observer

You cannot manipulate what is not in the physical world and is a way of your mind to compare ongoing processes ... most likely, as a result of the experiment, two processes began to run in the same direction of the flow of time, but opposite in result

 

[H Lee Wieser]

Is this subterfuge? There is not a "time flip," certainly nothing traveling back in time. The Universe is a clifford torus, time alternates between two 1+1 dimensions that overlap. Schroedinger's cat is, objectively, the silliest thought ever conceived, and I think Schroedinger would agree. If the last 75 years of physics isnt subterfuge, it is the most stubbornly foolish or toe-handed flop job in history. For the sake of western continuity I suppose?

 

[Hayseed]

The art of speculation has hit it's zenith when using probability and spacetime for boundaries.

 

[Steve.Nordquist]

The linkishly underlined dates seem not to be links? Desiderata. Eds?

 

[danr2222]

The linkishly underlined dates seem not to be links? Desiderata. Eds?

For me, they are (now) linkifying. Both take me to respective PDF's

 

[danr2222]

The time-flipped photon can't be used to restage "Back to the Future," but it could help us figure out some of the universe's most mysterious phenomena.

'Quantum time flip' makes light move simultaneously forward and backward in time : Read more

The way the author, not to mention his sources, define the idea of 'backwards' and 'forwards' in time, is really sus. So antiparticles move backward in time, but not really. OK... next!...

Schrödinger's cat was not so much a thought-experiment but a parody, a reductio ad absurdum. Present-day physicists don't seem to get the joke. It was Erwin's way of saying "stop the nonsense".
Instead, they seem set on adding to it.

 

[Wim Borsboom]

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Light can only be understood backward, even if it shines forwards, that is... as far as the observer is concerned...

After Søren Kierkegaard:
"Life can only be understood backward, but it must be lived forwards"

 

[PrimeGoat]

In order to fix the movement of a photon in the opposite direction of the flow of time, it is necessary to move in the same reverse direction of the flow of time, and scientists did not launch themselves into such a reverse flow of time ... an erroneous interpretation of the results of the experiment is obvious

In addition, time is generally a pseudo physical quantity that does not exist in the real physical world, and its measurement consists simply in comparing various ongoing processes ... that is why they say that time depends on the observer

You cannot manipulate what is not in the physical world and is a way of your mind to compare ongoing processes ... most likely, as a result of the experiment, two processes began to run in the same direction of the flow of time, but opposite in result

Wouldn't time dilation be manipulation of time without requiring observers? Or would black holes or fast-moving objects be considered observers too?

 

[PrimeGoat]

Is this subterfuge? There is not a "time flip," certainly nothing traveling back in time. The Universe is a clifford torus, time alternates between two 1+1 dimensions that overlap. Schroedinger's cat is, objectively, the silliest thought ever conceived, and I think Schroedinger would agree. If the last 75 years of physics isnt subterfuge, it is the most stubbornly foolish or toe-handed flop job in history. For the sake of western continuity I suppose?

Why do you say that the past 75 years of physics are based on deceit? Aren't experiments part of the scientific method to prevent deceit?

My own comment to this article is that since when do photons travel through time? They are massless and travel at C, which means they can't experience time. The entire existence of a photon traveling for trillions of millenia starts and finishes in the same moment.

 

[PrimeGoat]

This doesn't make sense. According to special relativity, massless particles such as photons travel at C and don't experience time.

 

[Hayseed]

No theory is valid, without knowing what mass is. We only know how mass reacts to influence, we have no idea why it reacts to influence. Or exactly what mass really is. We can not observe mass. All we can observe is a blur, a fuzzball. When we stimulate mass with energy, we only observe the reaction, not the mass. And around and around it goes. We just keep spinning around, for 100 years so far.

Nothing can be discerned, until we know the structure of that blur. Many believe that at that scale, structure has no meaning and even.....that structure can not exist. I believe that the structure of mass, gives us all the properties of mass.

I personally believe that mass and physicality is much simpler than the current rationales. Or I should say, lack there of. We have a narrative for light and gravity, but none for mass. Light and gravity come from mass. Do you see the confoundment?

The dogma of light and gravity prevents us from understanding mass. We limit what mass can be from the requirement of agreeing with light and gravity.

We have constructed a trap, which is fool proof. And fool is the keyword.

 

[AntonTG]

Wouldn't time dilation be manipulation of time without requiring observers? Or would black holes or fast-moving objects be considered observers too?

You do not have a correct understanding of time itself ... time does not exist in the real physical world .. time is a tool of our mind for comparing ongoing physical processes ... one of the cyclic and uniform processes is also selected for the amount of time ... it does not speak correctly in this regard, about time dilation ... processes slow down - for example, near massive gravitational forces ... so in black holes all processes stop altogether and therefore black holes cannot be wormholes as described in science fiction

 

[AntonTG]

Why do you say that the past 75 years of physics are based on deceit? Aren't experiments part of the scientific method to prevent deceit?

This is not entirely about deception, as such ... the point is in a misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the essence of time .... if you have chosen a cyclic uniform PROCESS as a unit of time, namely the rotation of the earth around its axis and the processes reduced to this process , - it means that using the unit of time in everyday life and in science, you compare different processes, no more and no less ...

And from this it follows, in particular, that time cannot be manipulated in the context as described in science fiction - you simply have nowhere to get so much energy from to simultaneously control all processes in the universe, this is impossible according to the law of conservation of energy, since it will be necessary, for example when moving into the future, to accelerate all processes in the universe, which means that all matter and all energy will already have to be controlled and there will be no energy left for the control process

 

[AntonTG]

Wouldn't time dilation be manipulation of time without requiring observers? Or would black holes or fast-moving objects be considered observers too?

Without a doubt, we can only control individual processes, but physics is such that most of the processes cannot be reversed ... and for moving (jumping) in time, for example, forward, even if and somehow a tool appears for such manipulations - again, we will not have enough of all the energy in the universe, because all energy and all matter will be the object of control of such an instrument, and there will be no free energy left

 

[Hayseed]

Time is as real as anything else. And we measure it. We can't see, hear or feel radio waves either.

All of our activities are controlled with time. An inescapable master. Very real. Nothing quasi about it.

And it controls non-living matter just like living matter. Nothing escapes time. Except space. Only space is immune to time.

 

[AntonTG]

Time is as real as anything else. And we measure it. We can't see, hear or feel radio waves either.

All of our activities are controlled with time. An inescapable master. Very real. Nothing quasi about it.

And it controls non-living matter just like living matter. Nothing escapes time. Except space. Only space is immune to time.

The unit of time measurement is historically taken as a process cyclic by the standards of human life - the rotation of the earth around its axis ... this was the case in a sundial ... later other processes were compared in practice to this process - falling sand, a burning candle, and so on up to modern atomic clock in which time is measured by atomic cyclic or repetitive processes

From this it follows that physically the meaning of time is simply a comparison of the process we need, for example, the movement of a car, with a reference process in hours ... and if you simply compare two ongoing processes and find out their relationship for your everyday tasks or scientific calculations, then how can we say that time is physically real?

Time is just an instrument of the human mind, it does not exist in the real physical world ... it is impossible even theoretically to move or manipulate it ... it is a pseudo-physical quantity ... people forgot about it, they want miracles, they want fantasy, they want to dream - that's the only reason why the theory remains tenacious that time can be manipulated