Bermuda Triangle theory busted: 1925 ship Cotopaxi found near Florida

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The "finder" of this wreck does not disclose any direct evidence. Everything is assumptions.

Additionally we know that heavy objects underwater move or that something could easily have occured in the Bermuda Triangle but the ship made it to the north Florida coast. There are more holes in this story than in the wreck.


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Feb 14, 2020
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The "finder" of this wreck does not disclose any direct evidence. Everything is assumptions.
Yes, no evidence such as measurements of the wreck's dimensions and key diagnostic features that match exactly with those on the arrangement plans of the COTOPAXI. Or the presence of the COTOPAXI's coal cargo. Or artifacts that match a local supplier to GLEW. Or the location of the wreck, which was on track and only 20 miles from the position of the distress signal. Yes, no evidence at all.

Additionally we know that heavy objects underwater move or that something could easily have occured in the Bermuda Triangle but the ship made it to the north Florida coast. There are more holes in this story than in the wreck.


Brian
No, heavy objects do not generally move underwater unless impacted by something significant like a hurricane. And that generally is limited to waters 100 meters or less.

Put your tinfoil hat back on.
 
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The "finder" of this wreck does not disclose any direct evidence. Everything is assumptions.

Additionally we know that heavy objects underwater move or that something could easily have occured in the Bermuda Triangle but the ship made it to the north Florida coast. There are more holes in this story than in the wreck.


Brian
SS Cotopaxi was an Emergency Fleet Corporation (EFC) Design 1060 bulk carrier built for the United States Shipping Board (USSB) under the World War I emergency shipbuilding program.

With the shipwreck only being a 100 years old there would be artifacts, a ships name plate for example and other identifying characteristics would prove the ship was actually the SS Cotopaxi. The Cotopaxi served as a wartime vessel for the U.S. Navy even though it wasn't classified as a U.S. Navy vessel. Such vessels are marked by the U.S. Navy so that piracy does not take place.

There should be a plate or several plates with the identifying number of 217270 which is the official U.S. ID number for the SS. Cotopaxi. Until such a plate is found the dimensions of the ship are rather irrelevant due to aging and loss of structure to get an actual measurement.

The design was unique to the Great Lakes Engineering Works[note 1] with deckhouse and engines aft (a design commonly termed a "Stemwinder") with four cargo hatches forward served by two masts.

Was the team who found the wreck able to determine that the wreck was a Stemwinder design. With such a unique design such as the deckhouse and four forward cargo hatches the wreck should be easily identified.

Until the ID Plate with 217270 is found then the wreck cannot be claimed as the Cotopaxi.
 
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Was the team who found the wreck able to determine that the wreck was a Stemwinder design. With such a unique design such as the deckhouse and four forward cargo hatches the wreck should be easily identified.
Yes. I am the guy. The wreck has all the attributes of a GLEW stemwinder, which is why this ID was not complicated. If you watch the program, which is available online at The Science Channel, we go through all this process.
 
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Yes. I am the guy. The wreck has all the attributes of a GLEW stemwinder, which is why this ID was not complicated. If you watch the program, which is available online at The Science Channel, we go through all this process.
Two turtles have the same attributes as well. One however is a snapping turtle the other is not.

Do you have photos of the wheelhouse along with the four forward cargo hatches and the ID plate?
 
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Two turtles have the same attributes as well. One however is a snapping turtle the other is not.

Do you have photos of the wheelhouse along with the four forward cargo hatches and the ID plate?
I'm guessing you aren't too familiar with shipwrecks. This is not a Hollywood film set. The wreck has been down for almost 100 years. It's collapsed and heavily sanded in. But yes, the wreck has all the diagnostic features and measurements consistent with the actual general arrangement plans of the vessel. But I am guessing you have not even seen the show and just want to be argumentative. Have fun...
 
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I was stationed at Boca Chica Naval Air Station in their AADCAP. You soon became a believer in the triangle. Commercial aircraft would appear on the radar and not know where they were. I don't know what caused it, I only know something was happening. The AADCAP was the fire control center for the Caribbean with very sophisticated radars.
 
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The real problem when you do not know why something is happoening is just making something up and challenging other people to prove you wrong. The Bermuda Triangle is a myth. AS far as I can tell nobody has proven it actually exists.
 
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Bermuda Triangle theory busted? Firstly, I didn’t know that there were such hard and fast lines drawn; secondly is it not feasible to suggest that the limits may vary over time, just as the magnetic poles do? Whether it is the vessel they think it is, or not, doesn’t “bust” a theory in any way whatsoever.
 
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Bermuda Triangle theory busted? Firstly, I didn’t know that there were such hard and fast lines drawn; secondly is it not feasible to suggest that the limits may vary over time, just as the magnetic poles do? Whether it is the vessel they think it is, or not, doesn’t “bust” a theory in any way whatsoever.
It very definitelyh is NOT a theory at all. Just an imaginary legend.
 
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It very definitelyh is NOT a theory at all. Just an imaginary legend.
A theory is the starting point for evaluation by the Scientific Method in which experiments are devised to provide evidence that it is false. When numerous experiments fail to prove it false, the validity of the theory becomes more evident, and additional and more powerful experiments may prove conclusively that the theory is true. This is how scientific knowledge is derived and why it is trusted.

The Hegelian dialectic may be applied as well: thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The initial idea is presented, equal and opposite ideas are offered in its place for a logical critique, and a final synthesis, or theory, arises after a considered investigation using the original thesis and the antithesis.

A myth is something that people have been led to believe, but often without a clear definition and without any plausible explanation except beliefs. Most myths are false by their very nature.

However, many of what were once considered myths of the ancient world have been or are being located. For instance the fabled Hanging Gardens of Babylon are believed to have been located, not in Babylon, but north in Nineveh by Dr. Stephanie Dalley of the Oriental Institute at England’s Oxford University. Other one time myths, like the great lighthouse on the Island at Pharos, evidence of which are slowly being assembled. At the bottom of the light was a platform filled with statues that are still being discovered by present-day divers off the coast of Alexandria.

Yesterday's myths, in some cases, are becoming today's reality.
 
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It very definitelyh is NOT a theory at all. Just an imaginary legend.
The Bermuda Triangle is not a theory, nor it is a legend or myth. It is a contrived idea that was developed in 1964 with the rise of science fiction to sell books. That is all. Everything else is nonsense. In fact, in the 1930s-1940s there was a Triangle Cruise, named due to the itinerary from NYC-Bermuda-Nassau and back. Oddly, no one reported any issues then, even though they were sailing into the "heart" of the Triangle...LOL.
Again, feel free to believe in the Bermuda Triangle if you want. Same thing with the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.
 
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The Bermuda is a money making scam for two-bit fiction writers. Lloyd's of London has been in the insurance business and keeping shipping records for almost 350 years. If there was anything to the Bermuda Triangle then Loyd's would charge higher rates for ship crossing through that area. But they don't because ship loss is no different than any other high shipping area in the world.

Airline routes are assigned by seniority. If there was anything to the Bermuda Triangle, then flights through the Bermuda Triangle would have the most junior of aircrews. Instead flights through the Triangle are crewed by the most senior of crews.
 
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The "finder" of this wreck does not disclose any direct evidence. Everything is assumptions.

Additionally we know that heavy objects underwater move or that something could easily have occured in the Bermuda Triangle but the ship made it to the north Florida coast. There are more holes in this story than in the wreck.


Brian
this is alright
The "finder" of this wreck does not disclose any direct evidence. Everything is assumptions.

Additionally we know that heavy objects underwater move or that something could easily have occured in the Bermuda Triangle but the ship made it to the north Florida coast. There are more holes in this story than in the wreck.


Brian
Yes, no evidence such as measurements of the wreck's dimensions and key diagnostic features that match exactly with those on the arrangement plans of the COTOPAXI. Or the presence of the COTOPAXI's coal cargo. Or artifacts that match a local supplier to GLEW. Or the location of the wreck, which was on track and only 20 miles from the position of the distress signal. Yes, no evidence at all.



No, heavy objects do not generally move underwater unless impacted by something significant like a hurricane. And that generally is limited to waters 100 meters or less.

Put your tinfoil hat back on.
 

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