12 Coronavirus myths busted by science

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There's plenty of nonsense about the coronavirus online. Here are some of the biggest COVID-19 myths out there and the science to explain why they aren't true.

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Masks work. Article says masks won't stop the virus, but then says masks will stop sick people from spreading the virus to others. Just pretend the sick person's mask is on your face and that the mask is stopping droplets from the sick person from reaching you. See, masks work. Maybe not perfectly, or as much as people would hope, but they work.
 
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Regarding #2 "
Myth: You're waaaay less likely to get this than the flu

Not necessarily. "

I disagree with the way this is said. At least in most places, you ARE way more likely to get the flu. Although the coronavirus has a higher R0, it is not circulating widely in the United States and most countries. And not only is the flu potentially deadly, illness can last a very long time and cause disability and interruption of your life/career. So people should be taking the flu seriously and get a flu shot. Especially since it could be devastating to get both viruses at the same time.
Its estimated that the corona virus will have infected Northern America. This is because patients infected with Covid-19 are almost always completely asymptomatic in the early stages. They are still capable of transmitting the disease... even in the very early stages of contamination when they may truly have no reason to believe they are carrying the virus. It is transmitted by being exposed to any expelled liquids originating from a sick or carrying human's mucus membrane. Its said to last up until 9 days outside of a carrier... Which is unbelievably resilient and alarming. It was stated that California was only rationed 450 Covid-19 testing kits...Which seemed hopeless and utterly laughable considering scientists proclaimed it was almost guaranteed that Covid-19's true northern american ground zero....
Had actually hit the ground running... More importantly it had the potential to run like a enraged bull tearing through a ceaseless supply of red barn walls (representing potential unsuspecting carriers)Just like the bull bulldozing through those walls the Covid-19 virus was given a head start, with no known vaccine, no absolute test to guarantee who is infected, has a cloaked appearance, and a much higher mortality probability than Influenza already carries. It was unleashed with all those alarming advantages for infecting a sparsely populated area...Let alone a very densely populated Californian coast....And this started 4-6 weeks previous of the first patient who tested positive for the Wuhan Corona Virus in America. All of North America were lacking proper governmental preparation, guidance, and leadership. Just thinking about those likely to be fatally affected by this virus opened my eyes wide.... knowing my parents are in their 80's....Subsequently I may only have one year or so left to experience their profound stockpiles of knowledge, unyielding work ethic, and most importantly their unyielding outpouring of love and kindness along with the truly defining lack of care that they express about their wrinkles, scars, and trials and tribulations that truly highlight their amazing spirits coupled with unbelievable amount of inner peace .... Only obtained by knowing they not only survived their scars and wrinkles... But the fact they did so holding onto ideals, sayings, and beliefs all belonging under the same loving umbrella that give their souls credence by never giving up on the actions and beliefs they hold onto dearly every day ...which makes the commonly practiced younger generations habit of blowing every way the wind goes and never standing for anything at all....In the end so worthless just the same as a smooth sea never made a skillful sailor. The tendency to avoid experiencing all turmoil and strife will in no doubt leave a pretty road paved, perfectly glimmering with gold bricks...But roads are meant to be sturdy... Not pretty. A word to the wise at the same time... The road to hell is paved with the best intentions...and paved by the engineer with the least learned lessons
 
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There have been 9 deaths in the State of Washington caused by the Coronavirus so far...and that is NO MYTH!
 
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Question #1.......it’s complicated. Not all surgical masks are created equal and speaking as curmudgeonly old surgeon they are usually worn incorrectly. Mask also become less effective over time. If you look at the micro spray of saliva people give off when they talk, sing, cough....it would seem having your mouth and nose covered and some barrier would afford SOME and perhaps a fair amount of protection.
 
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Honestly, I don't think we need a vaccine. Vaccines, will cause more deaths, and make them more able to get sick from Coronavirus.
If a seventeen day old baby who didn't have "medicine" to help her get better, then we really don't need medicine.
And second, heart disease is more deadly than coronavirus.
 
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There's plenty of nonsense about the coronavirus online. Here are some of the biggest COVID-19 myths out there and the science to explain why they aren't true.

12 Coronavirus myths busted by science : Read more
So pets are NOT commonly touched surfaces that can spread Corona virus?

I think that particular scientist's logic just fell short of the real world.

Rule #1: DO NOT touch someone else's pet during Corona!!!

RULE #2: DO NOT let pets roam the neighborhood during Novel Corona outbreak. Keep pets isolated from others. (How do you know who touched them last?)

What they properly meant was that pets are unlikely to source/emit significant amounts of of the Novel Corona virus from their own infections. Specifically insignificant risk of airborne virus from breath.

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Not so sure its a good idea to postulate with absolutely no model or real data that - virus load in pet saliva is either too low to infect or is likely mutated to be non-communicative to humans. I will go with its a lot less risk than virus KNOWN to come from humans. And also if your pet has Corona it mostly likely got it from a household member...unless you let it roam the neighborhood.


TBH I suspect this statement comes from government sources who KNOW how bad public riots could get if neighbors start killing suspected pets.

I agree that the comfort of pets is more beneficial in quelling public panic than in quarantine effects. Panic can kill or make things get worse faster than Corona. Kill their pets and people stop staying quietly at home. They start doing super stupid stuff like sneaking out to visit family and friends in another city - despite knowing that one them is infected.
 
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So pets are NOT commonly touched surfaces that can spread Corona virus?

I think that particular scientist's logic just fell short of the real world.

What they properly meant was that pets are unlikely to source/emit significant amounts of of the Novel Corona virus from their own infections. Specifically insignificant risk of airborne virus from breath.

Not so sure its a good idea to postulate with absolutely no model or real data that - virus load in pet saliva is either too low to infect or is likely mutated to be non-communicative to humans. I will go with its a lot less risk than virus KNOWN to come from humans.

Too be honest I suspect this statement comes from government sources who KNOW how bad public riots could get if neighbors start killing suspected pets.

I agree that the comfort of pets is more beneficial in quelling public panic than in quarantine effects. Panic can kill or make things get worse faster than Corona. Kill their pets and people stop staying quietly at home. They start doing super stupid stuff like sneaking out to visit family and friends in another city - despite knowing that one them is infected.
 
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There's plenty of nonsense about the coronavirus online. Here are some of the biggest COVID-19 myths out there and the science to explain why they aren't true.

12 Coronavirus myths busted by science : Read more
Loaded answer on could it be lab created.

The question has been altered with one of two key but unstated assumptions.

#1 "Lab created" means built physically ground up from individual atoms and molecules via chemistry or electronically. Quietly sidesteps the whole modified from natural virus issue.

(agreed. No one has this technology for anythign this complex - yet.)

#2 "Lab created" through modifying a naturally occuring virus must use a common gene editing technique. The key assumption here is based on the characteristic "fingerprints" that today's most commonly used gene editing techniques (based on CRISPR etc) leave behind. But scientists often forget that obvious fingerprints are partially by design for copyright or authorship recognition in academics. Fingerprints could made to look more natural and you do need to know where to look for them to find them fast (not a key priority right now). Morevoer other gene editing techniques do exist or are being developed.

Fast answers that COV-19 is NOT lab-created strike me as just as unscientific knee jerk reactions from threatened gene scientists as claims that it is lab created. For similarly extreme political reasons. Total science freedom versus near religious fear and shutdown. The best scientists have had time to do is to computer search for common signature fingerprints expecting something like the Pink Panther leaving signature card for police to correctly credit art burglary. I seriously doubt an existing signature would be allowed in an artifical pandemic virus - maybe a secret one to be revealed later for distant history if their ego is that big. But if its artificial, I bet the perpetrator would want to see full results before getting a military hammer response and their notes taken for an early cure.

But the ODDS are with NATURAL mutation -- we got thousands of years of evidence that nature "knows" how to kill with plagues. Spanish Flu far precedes most fantasies of gene splicing and mostly templates what we should expect from COV-19 pandemic.

Still we also have a few decades of technological disaster saying its not impossible: most visible are the human killing nuclear melt downs. But we have plastic pollution at levels we cannot ignore and not even Trump will deny. And over the last hundred or so years we have had crossbreeding and more recently gene editing disasters. They just did not kill people and so did not make the top sexy news list. Most of the gene edit problems are with experimental crops that escaped the test fields and are busy wiping out all natural corn or other crop or game.

So far the worst is you cannot save seeds from your last harvest and must now buy the natural crop replacement from "the factory" at patented prices (was that really an accident" The courts were convinced on financials and the fact that stopping the manufacturer also stops that crop from being grown eventually.) So equally a shadow warning of accident and sabotage potential.
 
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Do NOT forget the Killer Bee crossbreeding accident - that did kill and make news. Now today we got more posibilities with gene splicing.


On the gallows humor side: Is Sharkzilla really totally impossible? Well I give its probably not commercially viable. But what about a third world country that points its patriotic genius genetic engineer and zoologist toward a cheap to replicate army able to stand toe to toe against US army?

Humans are capable of really stupid things from a survival viewpoint. And not all even want to survive their moment of world recognition. ?Go Columbine? Makes no sense but its does happen. And quiet a few of the worst are very intelligent even without a bent government backing them.
 
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Loaded answer on could it be lab created.
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But the ODDS are with NATURAL mutation
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Still we also have a few decades of technological disaster saying its not impossible:
Deciding this event is Lab or natural virus without time for complete data is just gambling or fast educated guess or hopeful "positive" thinking - not real science answer.

Good PR and political calm measure for the masses though.

I do wonder how many career/academic specialists would volunteer a lab-created answer without "civilian"overseers closely following their general work progress. Barring a difference to the imminent end of the human race, I would bet self-interest would make most hesistate if they could keep the finding secret. I think most would assume a world ban on the technology as a quite possible result and not want to be restricted to secret government projects if that. Intellectuals tend to have a strong desire to avoid a new career in day labor at age 35+.

Yes I think a young socially conscious scientist with only a few years might be more likely to break news. They do not have the time invested in reputation building and position climbing. More likely to feel able to branch into related fields and more likely feel that they can demand government assistance in going back to school (probably rightfully so).

Mililatary and spy scientist would also break news to immediate bosses. Because they rightfully would expect their expertise would be needed to monitor for rogue gene splicing for decades. And they probably were not actively doing gene splicing projects except as pure research to be destroyed on completion.

LOL - again a fairly small pool of people with the first personal impulse to report evidence of lab altered virus.

Fortunately I suspect that most professional ethics and pride would EVENTUALLY make most present the evidence. But I do not think that necessarily means immediately. I highly suspect that lie detector surveys would reveal that most would wait until a few years after COV-19 died out to present ...unless it was clear that lab-made aspect had strong bearing on cure. In the "possible bearing on cure" case for most I would instead expect any delays would probably be at most a few days and in most cases less than a couple hours to self debate or with most trusted collegues as to impacts. Of course government or corporate supervisors might well find reasons to try suppression or longer delay if internal debates got out before public announcement was made.
 
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Regarding #2 "
Myth: You're waaaay less likely to get this than the flu

Not necessarily. "

I disagree with the way this is said. At least in most places, you ARE way more likely to get the flu. Although the coronavirus has a higher R0, it is not circulating widely in the United States and most countries. And not only is the flu potentially deadly, illness can last a very long time and cause disability and interruption of your life/career. So people should be taking the flu seriously and get a flu shot. Especially since it could be devastating to get both viruses at the same time.

You do realize that you are only debating where in time on the infected population curve that we currently are. Eventually numbers of infected will climb to where your "widely circulating" criteria are met and will exceed the current flu.

All data current says that the COV-19 infected curve will rise faster than flu. Its is generally most transmissible.

We just are not seeing common flu reporting numbers because reporting of common flu simply does not make the news until its at near epidemic levels. But the news started following COV-19 and SARS before we even had known case #1 in North America. Give COV-19 6-18 weeks from case #1 in US and then you will see absolute number typical for common flu. And then it will zoom.

Prediction: The US democratic freedoms will undermine any internal attemtps at true quarantine until its time for marshal law to be declared in the worst hit areas (estimated 6-9 months). Hopefully less affected areas will then mostly fall in line semi-voluntarily. Though I will not be surprised if many US areas go the "illegal aliens" route and sneak people in and out of quarantined area simply on civil rights to travel freedom basis "If you are not ready to die and kill others, you just are not free."

See history of Spanish flu for prediction that COV-19 will not be a event measured in mere weeks or months. It will run probably run 1-2 years. Possibly faster than Spanish Flu because of faster travel. Maybe faster yet if infection rate is higher Spansih Flu. Also note Spanish flu spread came in 3 waves. The second wave delay may reflect the speed of troops returning from WWI battlefield and other ocean travel from Europe to the world.

Unfortunately with faster travel we can expect all, except a few geographically and travel/trade isolated people, to be infected before a safe and effective vaccine is ready. New medical care standards will only effect survival rates and possibly delay the infection of select groups and locations (government and military continuity preparedness bunkers, isolated research stations, etc) with very good compliance to modern quarantine and sterilization protocols. Delay is good though as it allows better preparation and spreads medical resource strain.

Cut corners vaccine s maybe delivered earlier and will probably save some, but likely kill or fail to prevent COV-19 infection for more. Cut corner vaccines could end COV-19 early at least in some locations by removing potential new infectees...unfortuantely part of that will be decreasing (killing) available population that can contract full unvaccinated COV-19. Early COV-19 ends will probably be in Russian and China where the government is more likely to force mass "cut corner" vaccination and accept the deaths due to unsafe and less effective vaccine (back to work being more important). The Western world will likely escape the benefits and worst drawbacks of cut corner vaccines by offering at most voluntary "cut corners" vaccinations which will only be accepted by a sizable minority of the uninfected. That guess of only a minority accepting "cut corner" vaccines assumes mostly no longer panicked populations. After the months needed for even cut corner vaccine delivery, panic will likely be greatly reduced due to emotional exhaustion and more well considered thought start to rule.
 
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To correct you a dog has tested positive in the last week of one of the infecteds owners. So you might want to correct that. Misinformation is bad.
Pets are more dangerous as SHARED TOUCH spaces. Its difficult to keep a pet sterilized. Soap and water will eventually hurt their skin bad.

Just do NOT touch other people's pets. Do NOT let your pet roam neighborhood - who knows who will touch it.

If you follow those rules then if your pet get COV-19 then no worries - someone in your house gave it to your pet. So you are already infected/expose to what your pet has.
 
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Article says: "No evidence suggests that the virus is man-made."

Actually, yes, there is evidence to suggest the virus is man made. The evidence is conviniently placed on page two of Google's search list. It is a cheap trick to use the term "science" as rhetoric to convey 'authority' and manipulate people's thinking. Consider the statement, "there is no evidence to support the theory of evolution--evolution debunked by science!" Obviously, there definitely is evidence to support the theory of evolution. But to take a negative position on the subject requires absolutely no work on the writers part, whereas the positive position demands production of evidence that you deny--evidence that may be hidden on page two of Googles search results.


"At a seminar on the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) hosted by the Taiwan Public Health Association at NTU, Fang Chi-tai , a professor at NTU's College of Public Health, addressed the many theories circulating that the virus somehow leaked... The professor said that viruses normally only have small mutations in the form of singular changes in natural conditions. He asserted that in nature, it is 'unlikely to have four amino acids added at once.'
Fang concluded, "Therefore, from an academic point of view, it is indeed possible that the amino acids were added to COVID-19 in the lab by humans." He said that it is also still possible that this occurred in nature but that "the chances are very slim."
 
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Fortunately lack of virus origin is only a tiny impediment to developing vaccination and test kits and no barrier to treatment.

"Asserts" does not mean proven or even well researched. It means "best guess based on research I am familiar with to this point in time". But its does not really say he research that specific topic to the limits available.

Or if he is really "alpha" type, "asserts" is an expert authority issuing scientific challenge to anyone to prove his best off the cuff WAG (Wild Ass Guess) wrong within scientific criteria he will accept. LOL - one way to get someone else to do the grunt work you are not that interested in doing.

TBH I doubt he did exhaustive research into 4 animo acid changes in virus evolution, I suspect he was merely quoting what he had personally noted in a long career as an expert. Far better than any news reporter or person outside field. But it may still be an open question if he was never really looking to "how many animo changes can nature use".

So the scientist most correct statement probably should have been...

"to the best of my recollection I have never noted before this many animo acid changes in natural virus mutations in my extensive expert experience nor has any reputable colleague brought such a case to my attention."

This leaves open that he may have seen it in the past but forgotten or not noted it as important. It also acknowledges that no one expert can be an in-depth expert on more than a microscopic fraction (pun) of the tens or hundreds of thousands of viruses on earth.

I might be a lot more impressed if he specialized almost exclusively in the Corona virus family for the last decade or more.

Final note: In fact COV-19 might not even be a recent virus change. There is small chance the virus existed in some isolated bionome where man had not farmed recently and some farm just now got bats from that cave to take to market. We are still investigating its origins and no theory is yet full proven. Its my understanding that currently all theories are still mostly expert guesses without much conclusive supportive data. More a situation of proving specific theories cannot be right based on specific facts rather than amassing lots of facts supporting any given theory.
 
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His primary expertise is NOT Corona viruses. 3/88 publications on SARS and flu.

More into bacterial infections (Strep and Tuberculosis) and HIV for most his publications.
Looks more like practical healthcare studies expert than in depth researcher.
Probably the interface guy between virus research eggheads and regular hospital doctors...a new applications expert with research on transferring new discoveries to practical use. So he probably gets shown real virus images and briefing regularly to stay informed on upcoming possibilities, even if doing new virus research is not his main focus.

So trained to understand virus science with some corona virus family experience, but probably not top expert.

maybe China shot all of them in cover up?

(Opportunistic political humor at Chinese expense. Hopefully without more than the tinest grain of truth. More hopefully China just selected this guy as the best trained spokesman who was not actually needed to do the real expert grunt work with COV-19 .)
 
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His primary expertise is NOT Corona viruses. 3/88 publications on SARS and flu.

More into bacterial infections (Strep and Tuberculosis) and HIV for most his publications.
Looks more like practical healthcare studies expert than in depth researcher.
Probably the interface guy between virus research eggheads and regular hospital doctors...a new applications expert with research on transferring new discoveries to practical use. So he probably gets shown real virus images and briefing regularly to stay informed on upcoming possibilities, even if doing new virus research is not his main focus.

So trained to understand virus science with some corona virus family experience, but probably not top expert.

maybe China shot all of them in cover up?

(Opportunistic political humor at Chinese expense. Hopefully without more than the tinest grain of truth. More hopefully China just selected this guy as the best trained spokesman who was not actually needed to do the real expert grunt work with COV-19 .)
Sorry this guy is Taiwanese so definitely not the surviving virus expert due to shooting cover up in mainland China. Saw but did not note before comments. And I had just seen it. happens to humans.
 
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The article says: ”Previous research has found that coronaviruses don't survive long on objects such as letters and packages.”

But viruses, according to many scholarly definitions, are non-living organisms that replicate inside living cells. A non-living organism can’t be killed., though they can be stopped from replicating. That’s part of the problem with viruses and why the diseases they cause can’t easily be treated.. It’s a completey different process from killing a bacterial infection. Bacteria are living organisms that can be killed.. As example, tuberculosis is caused by a bacteria. Small pox, measles, mumps, chicken pox, herpes, AIDS, and shingles are some diseases that are caused by [non-living] viruses. Viral diseases are difficult or impossible to treat effectively. They can be prevented, however, by a vaccine.

Viruses are not made out of cells, they can't keep themselves in a stable state, they don't grow, and they can't make their own energy. Even though they definitely replicate and adapt to their environment, viruses are more like androids than real living organisms.”
Most virus expert sources say.
An encapsulated virus like COV-19 will die much more easily when left on non-living surfaces.

Unencapsulated virus will survive much longer as drying of encapsulating "shell" is not a factor. Some even "resurrect" when living conditions are right (I assume smallpox is a good example with danger extending an unmeasured length of time but at least decades in most cases.)

Apparently COV-19 has unusually long survival time for an encapsulated type. Because some experts doing actual COV-19 research say it has proven to survive as much as a week in some real world conditions. That is as long as one would guess for a generic unencapsulated virus if no other facts were known.

However, when specific time ranges are given (short hours), I think Government response spokespeople are just quoting generic info for generic encapsulated virus without checking the particular facts now found for COV-19. Sort of like saying, an average human male will live to 70 without any location or occupation or DNA or other health info. Unfortunately governments like to prepare genric disaster responses and their spokespeople are known for not questioning the info even when they theoretically are expert enough to know the info probably needs adjusting. Jsut thinking I do not want to be the one to rock the boss's expectations -- let someone else break the news.

So do NOT stop cleaning surfaces just because the last known infested person has not been in the room for 2-3 hours. Maybe you do not want to open mail that is not urgent for a few more days. If mail is more urgent then maybe you want bake it in oven at 250F (preheated and stable) for 30 minutes. If mail cannot be baked, maybe open it with rubber gloves and wash the exterior of washable items inside and your gloves with soap and water -then throw the envelop in fire or "not to touched again" trash.
 
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This article is shockingly ignorant and little more than an ad on one point: the use of ascorbate. Even on the face of it it's bogus: "C doesn't prevent colds, but does make the symptoms less". Take more and they go away entirely. Take enough and you won't get a cold. A very old flaw in a very old test is responsible for this myth [1]

If you take the time to look at how they were able to control the virus in about 30 days you'll see the use of IV ascorbate was used. Nobody who got this died. [2]

This matched the results Paul Marik, director of Medicine at Norfolk Hospital found: his use of this took down the rate of death from ICU sepsis from 50% to zero. [3]

Please stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

"Klenner's paper (Klenner FR. The treatment of poliomyelitis and other virus diseases with vitamin C. J. South. Med. and Surg., 111:210-214, 1949.) on curing 60 cases of polio in the epidemic of 1948 should have changed the way infectious diseases were treated but it did not." - Robert Cathcart "



References:

[1] Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/12154



[2] Comprehensive treatment and management of corona virus disease 2019: expert consensus statement from Shanghai Shanghai Clinical Treatment Expert Group for corona virus disease 2019
Published 2020-03-01
Cite as Chin J Infect Dis, 2020,38:Epub ahead of print. DOI: 10.3760/cma.j.issn.1000-6680.2020.0016

Original (Chinese) can be found at http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1183266.htm




[3]
Marik 2018: Vitamin C for the treatment of sepsis: The scientific rationale
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163725818300706

Interview: The Marik Protocol for Deadly Sepsis Is Already Saving Many Lives: The Roles of Vitamins C and B1 (Thiamine) - An Interview with Dr. Paul E. Marik, MD, FCCP, FCM, MBBCH
https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/the-marik-protocol-for-deadly-sepsis-is-already-saving-many-lives-the-roles-of-vitamins-c-and-b1-thiamine/

Talk: The Cure for Sepsis with Paul Marik (35 mins)
https://www.criticalcarereviews.com/index.php/meetings/485-ccr-meetings/ccr-meeting-2017/2896-the-cure-for-sepsis-with-paul-marik
 
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Myth #1 is reversed; stop putting out misinformation! Trace your claim for myth #1 all the way back to its source: What are the experts basing their "facemasks do nothing" claim on? Was there a single scientific study which verified this? No, it is simply an educated guess. If you actually were to research the actual science/data done on this subject you would find that it 100% contradicts what the experts are saying. I would've thought a journal called "livescience" would focus on the science.
 
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Puzzled by the statement that face masks do not help prevent one catching the virus. If they catch droplets from a carrier then they are preventing the droplets from reaching other people. That the masks do not filter out virus sized particles is not relevant - there is no evidence that carriers exhale free virus particles, but plenty that the are contained in droplets and that these droplets may be inhaled by others as well as landing on surfaces. Close proximity is a big problem.
You are right to be so skeptical of the "expert" advice. I looked online for actual evidence for/against the efficacy of these cheap face masks and all the actual *science* that was done on it proved they are at least somewhat effective, and 100% contradicted the "expert" claim that they do nothing against infections. Experts are supposed to be the most informed authority on the subject. They need to adapt their recommendations to new evidence.
 
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This article is shockingly ignorant and little more than an ad on one point: the use of ascorbate. Even on the face of it it's bogus: "C doesn't prevent colds, but does make the symptoms less". Take more and they go away entirely. Take enough and you won't get a cold. A very old flaw in a very old test is responsible for this myth [1]

If you take the time to look at how they were able to control the virus in about 30 days you'll see the use of IV ascorbate was used. Nobody who got this died. [2]

This matched the results Paul Marik, director of Medicine at Norfolk Hospital found: his use of this took down the rate of death from ICU sepsis from 50% to zero. [3]

Please stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

"Klenner's paper (Klenner FR. The treatment of poliomyelitis and other virus diseases with vitamin C. J. South. Med. and Surg., 111:210-214, 1949.) on curing 60 cases of polio in the epidemic of 1948 should have changed the way infectious diseases were treated but it did not." - Robert Cathcart "



References:

[1] Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/12154



[2] Comprehensive treatment and management of corona virus disease 2019: expert consensus statement from Shanghai Shanghai Clinical Treatment Expert Group for corona virus disease 2019
Published 2020-03-01
Cite as Chin J Infect Dis, 2020,38:Epub ahead of print. DOI: 10.3760/cma.j.issn.1000-6680.2020.0016

Original (Chinese) can be found at http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1183266.htm




[3]
Marik 2018: Vitamin C for the treatment of sepsis: The scientific rationale
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163725818300706

Interview: The Marik Protocol for Deadly Sepsis Is Already Saving Many Lives: The Roles of Vitamins C and B1 (Thiamine) - An Interview with Dr. Paul E. Marik, MD, FCCP, FCM, MBBCH
https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/the-marik-protocol-for-deadly-sepsis-is-already-saving-many-lives-the-roles-of-vitamins-c-and-b1-thiamine/

Talk: The Cure for Sepsis with Paul Marik (35 mins)
https://www.criticalcarereviews.com/index.php/meetings/485-ccr-meetings/ccr-meeting-2017/2896-the-cure-for-sepsis-with-paul-marik
First its a generally harmless idea as a booster treatment. Secondly many people are not getting proper levels of vitamins for their genetics. Some people have undetected genetic weakness for absorbing certain vitamins that is they need extra intake to reach levels normal people attain on minimum recommended levels.

However for general application as a "miracle cure all", any studies I have even glanced at are horribly and obviously flawed to where even if there is a "hidden truth" - it remains hidden. Even Nobel Prize winners can have unreasonable personal biases at times to where they cannot get beyond intuition.

Honestly pioneers of new scientific areas seldom have great insight into the applications of that work for decades ...assuming they continue to research heavily. Pauline's life as a researcher was greatly disrupted by his new celebrity and his vitamin C claims were not based on completion of significant later discoveries. So his Nobel work does not make Pauline more than a well educated testimonial and that education is somewhat peripheral to the topic. Sort of like 1960s era Indianapolis car race winners commenting on Telsa latest vehicle. Yes they are expert in general subject area but...not in really expert in specialty area because of lack of participation.

Not saying the idea is wrong - just not proven anywhere near scientific standards.

Too much hand picked data and constantly varied treatment as a starting point. And models to back such data are still not to where they give solid explanation of data. The megavitanim claims are mostly of the class of thinking that "more is always better up to the point it poisons you (and sometimes even then if you can recover)."
 
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Masks work. Article says masks won't stop the virus, but then says masks will stop sick people from spreading the virus to others. Just pretend the sick person's mask is on your face and that the mask is stopping droplets from the sick person from reaching you. See, masks work. Maybe not perfectly, or as much as people would hope, but they work.
My thoughts exactly! This very same website has an article saying they DO work!

 
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I hate to be the dissenter but there isn't any science in that list at all. A bunch of things, mostly rather ridiculous and assertions they are wrong based on the presumed authority of the writer. That is not science, One of the so-called myths and indeed the one that really is about science is answered with a straight out lie. There isn't any way to put it. If it is about science then no it is not possible to say no evidence exists to suggest it is bioengineered. There is so much evidence and indeed no real scientific argument against it! To claim there's nothing to such a thing is to invite someone who will raise the science but given the evident bovine acceptance of that hogwash as any sort of science suggests it would be a wasted effort. The only science I saw here was in the title.

By the way. The death tolls being bandied about are wrong. Everyone telling you this knows they're deceiving people. I assume they have the required panic level and don't want to raise it so the sheep become uncontrollable. Since there is a 14 day mean incubation time, you cannot take the death toll and known infected count and arrive at any sort of honest mortality rate. The death toll on any day relates to the infected numbers 14 days before! This gives about 15%. That is correct and anyone can see it the numbers are right in front of you and what do you think a 14 days incubation gives you? 14 days lag time before you see effects like mild to severe cases and deaths. If you want to be most accurate at this stage however you would take all resolved cases and match the number of recovered with the number of deaths. Then yesterday when I last did so and it correlates with this number anyway though a little higher at 15.9%. Any expert who tries to use the actual count at the moment is deceiving you and I'd not trust anything they called science either. By the way, The Lancet agrees with me as a matter of fact. not that it needs to, The logic is infallible
 
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First its a generally harmless idea as a booster treatment. Secondly many people are not getting proper levels of vitamins for their genetics. Some people have undetected genetic weakness for absorbing certain vitamins that is they need extra intake to reach levels normal people attain on minimum recommended levels.

However for general application as a "miracle cure all", any studies I have even glanced at are horribly and obviously flawed to where even if there is a "hidden truth" - it remains hidden. Even Nobel Prize winners can have unreasonable personal biases at times to where they cannot get beyond intuition.

Honestly pioneers of new scientific areas seldom have great insight into the applications of that work for decades ...assuming they continue to research heavily. Pauline's life as a researcher was greatly disrupted by his new celebrity and his vitamin C claims were not based on completion of significant later discoveries. So his Nobel work does not make Pauline more than a well educated testimonial and that education is somewhat peripheral to the topic. Sort of like 1960s era Indianapolis car race winners commenting on Telsa latest vehicle. Yes they are expert in general subject area but...not in really expert in specialty area because of lack of participation.

Not saying the idea is wrong - just not proven anywhere near scientific standards.

Too much hand picked data and constantly varied treatment as a starting point. And models to back such data are still not to where they give solid explanation of data. The megavitanim claims are mostly of the class of thinking that "more is always better up to the point it poisons you (and sometimes even then if you can recover)."
The article is shocking on several levels but above all is the lack of any science.
 

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